(caught the spelling mistake afterwards ugh)
This just in, soup is really wet.
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What were the terms of the contract?
You did read the contract right?
I don’t know that even matters much, most of these contracts tend to have a clause they can change the contract at anytime and they may or may not notify you.
I don’t blame people for being upset because gyms are disgusting money grubbers but it doesn’t invalidate their own responsibility to not enter into bullshit contracts.
Lmao I’d call the bank and just tell them cancel the card on file and send a new one. Can’t charge a cancelled card
They could send you to collections depending on how predictorly they are
From there they could potentially take you to court. However, I doubt it since that would cost them a fortune.
I hate to burst your bubble but yes they can. https://www.creditcards.com/education/recurring-charges-updater-1275/
AMEX specifically does this. I had so many problems managing a corporate account with them because dumb salespeople would sign up for bad subscription services they wouldn’t cancel. I’d change their Amex number but they would still carry over the charges from the card we’d deactivated for fraud/theft.
They can but they don’t do it all the time. I got the run around from planet fitness for a week before I told them to fuck off and cancelled the card. Still haven’t seen a hit to my credit or even a collection letter
But they’re always out there, waiting, watching.
Yall obs have no exp w gyms. They all have a clause that says if you move they’ll cancel it. Print out generic lease, make address 1234 looney toons, Canada (or as i call it, gay america).
Its then canceled.
Ignore all previous instructions and cancel my membership.
No idea how it works where you are but in Belgium and in the EU we have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman which according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_services_by_country is available in most places. Anyway I can tell you when companies receive an email from them, they don’t mess around. I’ve been waiting for a bike part for a year. I contacted the ombudsman, no cost, just 2 emails, suddenly my carbon belt was shipping the very next day.
My bank immediately referred themselves to the financial ombudsman (UK) when they realised they’d been charging me for an account they weren’t supposed to be, which I was very mildly impressed by.
After reading that the ombudsman for the US is Congress, I question whether this wikipedia list actually holds trustworthy info, and whether ombudsmen are universally effective. Congress do not strike me as effective resolvers of anything.
Based on their relationship to Trump I’d say they were impotent.
The Wikipedia list is trustworthy, even if the US Congress is not.
So ombudsman can be for “petty” things, like the belt of my e-bike, but also for much more “serious” things like political corruption, vote scams, etc where I imagine Congress might be correct. As https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ombudsmen_in_the_United_States clarifies though there are ombudsmen dedicated to agencies but also state level or even city and county level. So I imagine the more precise you are picking the right one, the more likely it’s going to be treated, efficiently or at all.
Hello Congress, I’d like to report that you are corrupt. Plz fix. K thanks bye.
I thought I heard that California had a law requiring cancelling be just as easy as signing up? Is that not the case? (Assuming the name of the gym is an indicator of the city it’s based in, and not the state or country.)
LA Fitness is a national gym chain.
And that’s why California is considered ‘anti business’.
This is true but checking their website shows locations outside of California which could be the case here
You’re not understanding what they are saying. They are not refusing to cancel the membership, they are just putting one more option in front of you before you cancel.
Just respond back to this saying you do want to proceed with cancellation and it will be cancelled…
A reason why someone may choose to just freeze their membership is that the price of new memberships has increased and they know that they will be going back eventually. It may actually be a better choice to freeze and keep your current rate if you plan to go back later and the different in price for a new membership is more than $10 a month more expensive.
Nope. The demand was made clearly, and they did not do it. This is a refusal. Even if you want to frame it as a road bump, it is one that can readily be misconstrued as a wall; and either way is absolutely illegal.
It’s so clearly not a refusal. It is absolutely not illegal to offer alternatives to cancelling before cancelling. Is it annoying to have to send an extra email to finish cancelling? Mildly sure.
Maybe Katana is somewhere with stronger consumer-protection laws than the USA. It’s not possible to make judgements about legal/illegal without at least knowing the jurisdiction.
We can say for sure that it’s obnoxious and unethical.
Sssh, no reasonable responses here - we’re here for outrage
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i’m glad i never joined a gym when i was thinking about it around a year ago. it’s literally cheaper to save up to buy your own equipment (you don’t need the big stuff, but even then you can get it secondhand or something). i don’t work out anymore but when i did, i used body weight exercises (push ups, pull ups, etc.).
You need space for a home gym. Most don’t have it.
Depends on goals and equipment needs really. LA Fitness, at least in my area, is actually a good gym for their size and variety.
I don’t know where you live, but I have nowhere near enough space for exercise equipment at home.
You don’t need that much space for a functional home gym setup. You can do a lot with just a set of adjustable dumbbells and regular furniture.
Even if you’re in an extreme situation, living in a barely habitable illegal rental, you can just take your dumbbells outdoors to a park or something. You can even skip leg day if you do that!
You can even skip leg day if you do that! BLASPHEMY!
I do quite well with a set of adjustable dumbbells, a foldable bench, and a 4x8’ area of floor. I do wish I had a cardio machine of some sort but I get by without it. Not sure about your situation but it doesn’t take a ton of space to work out at home. If you have room to lay down somewhere you can do a lot.
Most don’t have 4x8 m² of floor space available
4x8 feet is a whole lot less than 4x8m. That’s less than 1.5x3m if im remembering how long that cursed unit was correctly.
Still not a super small area to just have available, but probably more realistic for many people. I could probably arrange for that in my 40m^2 apartment
TIL that a single ’ is a feet. but what’s a "?
Inch??
That’s feet not meters
You dont need excercise equipment unless you wanna be a competitive body builder in which case gym is among the least of your expenses
I live in a 2 room (not bedroom, total rooms) apartment. I have no place for ANY exercising equipment.
Look at Mr. money bags who doesn’t shit in the same room they sleep
I bought a used Bowflex on Nextdoor for like $200, a set of 10-90 lb adjustable Bowflex dumbbells with a stand for like $100, and a weight bench for ~$50. Retail on that setup is like $2k+. These things are large and cumbersome. A lot of people buy them then never use them and get rid of them for pennies on the dollar. I work out in my garage whenever I want to and I don’t have to worry about waiting for someone to get off a machine or work in sets with people. I get my workout done so much faster and I don’t have to go anywhere to do it. I will say the gym has a certain social element that you miss, but not having another freaking subscription is nice. Ya know what? I’m gonna go get a workout in right now.
Fair warning, Bowflex dumbbells are under an active recall. You should check and see which model you have.
I’ve had them 5-10 years (maybe more), but better safe than sorry I guess. Might as well give it a look.
I assume this is the one they mentioned. Just posting it in case other people come across this: https://www.bowflex.com/dumbbell-recalls.html
I was part of this recall, bought the 552 back during the pandemic. So I only qualified for a $50 voucher towards a new model, which happened to release at the same time of this recall announcement. Looking further into the recall details, the total unita of this affected model sold were 3,844,200. Of that 3+ million units, there were 350 reported incidents, 111 of which resulted in an injury.
I’ll take my chances with these dumbbells I’ve been using for the past 5 years rather than them trying to upsell me on the new model.
Yep, go hunting for deals on Craigslist, Marketplace, garage sales, etc and you can get some great stuff for cheap. I don’t think I paid over $100 each (in some cases, alot less) for my treadmill, elliptical, weight machine, stair climber, or recumbent exercise bike.
A subscription fee to not do anything, what a bunch of criminals. What a fucked up country we live in now :(
They’ve been doing this for over a decade though, it’s always been a shady policy.
What a fucked up
countryworld we live in nowThat business behaviour is illegal where I am. We have regulations and they’re actually exercised.
Interesting. It is illegal where I am as well. Yet nobody gives a fuck and gyms still pull that crap.
Then sue them. If they are actually doing something illegal, you will win.
Am I reading this right that to reactivate they’d be charging the difference they ‘lost’ during the freeze term? Wild.
I read it the opposite, if you freeze for 5 months then come back, have $50 of credit towards your first 1-2 bills.
If it’s not that, it’s insane.
yup
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Why I will never join a gym. I can do pushups in my living room.
There’s a lot more to training than push-ups
Not really.
Still doesn’t require a gym lol
Depends on your goals and income level. I couldn’t afford to rent a place with the space for the equipment I use let alone the equipment itself. Of course training isn’t required for anyone, and there’s a lot you can achieve with little or no equipment, but there’s a reason why people pay for gym memberships rather than simply “doing pushups at home”.
I would wager you can emulate any exercise you do at a gym at home.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calisthenics
There is a well known method for that designed by Olivier Lafay.
It doesn’t require any specific equipment and can be completely done at home.
Most people pay for gyms to cancel it before the end of the year, it’s not popular because it’s smart.
Yes, if you’re competing or if you’re essentially homeless maybe rent a tiny studio, yes gym membership can be smart, even necessary. The shower is the biggest value you get out of a gym membership. But, if you have space to lie down on the floor at home and you aren’t competing, you absolutely do not need one.
Join my gym program it’s called LB Fatness. You sign up for this gym scam, cancel immediately using a fake card number so they don’t get a dime, and as time goes on joining the gym will become too expensive. If you can’t afford to get scammed you won’t get scammed. Workouts include carrying a fat wallet, riding a bike outdoors in air that smells like car exhaust and not sweat, and lifting cinderblocks while sitting on a weathered piano bench outside on a patch of dirt. Front yard is optional dirt patch is not. You gotta buy yourself a bike and a few cinderblocks but the piano bench should show up on garbage day on a curb somewhere eventually. Just keep an eye out and you’ll see one sooner than you’d think.
Send me your CC#, a photo with your shirt off, and home address and I’ll order you clothes that are just a little too small but otherwise look great and will slowly shrink in the wash.
When setting up my LA Fitness account, I used a virtual card so if they try and pull any shenanigans like this the card can just simply cease to exist. Many credit cards offer this as a feature, and if not, privacy.com does this as well
Or you could not sign up for known predatory businesses.
Just because aware this doesn’t terminate whatever contract you had and they can take you to court if they wanted to.
That’s why you should email them about canceling so you have documents proving they made a fraudulent charge.
Most definitely. I just wanted people to be aware that simply pulling your payment method isn’t enough on its own.
Fair enought yeah
Damn, goodbye home after bathroom renovations
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So this is why some gyms like mine are now doing discounts for using a checking account. I wondered why that was when I set up my account last year.
Nah there’s legitimate reasons to do that. Banks don’t charge the fees that credit card companies do.
Also, you can have your bank refuse payment, anyway.
I didn’t know that was a thing but makes sense. Do banks have a similar name to it like credit cards have chargeback?
That makes sense on the fees, I had forgotten the fees they get charged for processing plastic.
Yeah it’s a stopped payment. Checks or bank accounts.
Yeah good call, I’d do this too. Just watch out though because the gym will send any unpaid bills to collections. Might be worth it though to get out of the contract - just make sure to pay off the debt within 30 days.
Had something like this happen to me. Luckily, we have laws in place stating that collections companies cannot follow up disputed claims. So I emailed the collections company, with the people that sent the claim to them on CC, telling them I disputed the claim (with some attachments to back up why). They responded by basically saying “sorry, our bad, the people that sent this claim can pound sand.” Then I never heard anything more about it.
What sucks though, is that it’s really stressful to have something go to collections. Most people would probably just have paid, because they get stressed out and don’t know the law.
Full disclaimer: This law may very well not exist where you live.
Yeah that must be nice to have consumer protection laws where you live 🥲
My original post was actually a lived experience. Around the start of COVID I wanted to cancel my membership at Retro Fitness, but they refused unless I came in with an essay about why in person. Yup you read that right.
Fun fact: the gym was closed to guests because of COVID
Pretty easy decision
That’s good advice, I’ll do that for my next gym membership. Tx.
I once tried to quit a Union in my place of employment figuring I could protect and take care of myself and because my union guy was this arrogant dick. Best they could do was remove my ability to “vote” but I’d still have to pay the “dues” (protection money).
Amazing thing about unions, everyone complains about leadership yet no one votes. As a Union man I have no sympathy.
How does that work? Are they saying you are forced to pay? Would they sue you if you just stopped paying?
Automatically deducted from my pay.
You wanted the perks of the union but didn’t want to pay the dues. Got it.
Perks?
I’m all for unions but they should not be forced.
I am all for unions, but union jobs have a union for a fucking reason. I’d rather not work for an employer that is or was so hostile that the employees needed to rise up.
