And of course they had to shoehorn some AI bullshit in it

(why I installed this driver: because i can remap the two extra buttons as copy/paste)

    • Limonene@lemmy.worldEnglish
      211·
      2 hours ago

      Piper is less than 2MB, and allows reconfiguring Logitech mouse buttons. It’s available in Debian and Ubuntu package managers.

      Screenshot:

      I had to use Piper to get exotic features like having mouse 6, 7, 8 buttons function as mouse 6, 7, 8, rather than the default of alt-tab and ctrl-v.

      • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
        1·
        49 minutes ago

        Does it still allow macros? I have a couple of 502s and my older one has fallen victim to the common problem of rhe switch getting bouncey so one click becomes multiple. Supposedly macros can fix this.

        • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 minutes ago

          This is a physical defect. Macros make one key press effect one or more action button or key press. For instance if a common operation involves pressing a b and c in sequence you can make one button on your mouse actuate that sequence.

          You can’t bind a macro to left click because then you can’t left click anymore. Even if you bound double clicking to single click (if this is even possible) it would mean every time it single click you would effect nothing which is equally if not more broken.

          You need to either take your mouse apart and fix it or throw it in the trash.

  • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mlEnglish
    18·
    7 hours ago

    +1 for using space sniffer. It’s the best of such apps I’ve found. Unfortunately doesn’t seem to get updated any more.

  • linrilang@lemmy.worldEnglish
    48·
    10 hours ago

    We detected you moved your mouse. Downloading 1GB of AI telemetry and 3GB of user experience optimizations…

  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish
    382·
    10 hours ago

    Fuck electron, fuck “web first” apps, fuck the “all application in the future will be websites” mentality.

  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zipEnglish
    23·
    9 hours ago

    That’s not the driver but some bundled configuration & update bloatware.

    Back in my days, you had to overwrite some .exe with a “0” to disable Nvidia from spying on you. The overwrite, because they would just download it again if you deleted the .exe.

    • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      9 hours ago

      I remember installing a fresh PC with win98. During installation, I disabled some windows bloatware (Imagine! You actually could do this!), and ended up with an unresponsive, non-windows app blocking the system. I killed that app and removed it from the system. Keep in mind that at this point, no network connection was set up, nor did I install any driver or program yet, this was straight from the windows install medium.

      After reboot, the app was back, and again blocking the system.

      Wiping the harddisk and starting installation over did not help either.

      Turned out this was some bloatware installed by the BIOS whenever it detected at boot that there was a) a Windows installation that was b) “missing” their “register your PC with us” app. This needed some Windows bloatware to work, and thus failed on this machine.

      This was the only time I angrily screamed at a hotline worker.

    • herrvogel@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 hour ago

      Nvidia drivers at least do something that are fairly complex and heavy, and they’re necessary. Whereas this thing is just some comically overdeveloped and extremely annoying piece of bloatware from Logitech to remap a bunch of buttons.

  • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
    34·
    13 hours ago

    The mouse driver used with the Commodore 64’s GEOS operating system uses 3 blocks on disk, less than a kilobyte.

    • Albbi@piefed.caEnglish
      2·
      2 hours ago

      That driver was using 0.5% of system resources! I thought it would be worse when I saw “259 blocks free”, but overall that’s pretty good.

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      10 hours ago

      Most of the reason why the Logitech driver is so gargantuan is a separate Chromium browser instance, because someone thought that apps should be all websites first, which lead to most GUI libraries being developed for javascript and most devs being taught to be web developers.

      • merdaverse@lemmy.zipEnglish
        14·
        8 hours ago

        VSCode is also electron with a 100mb download size and 400mb install size. I think it has 1000x more functionality than some shit Logitech UI where you change LED colors. This sounds more like incompetence on the Logitech team than a problem with electron itself.

        It’s not like traditional methods of packing apps are without problems. If I want to install the qbittorrent flatpak on Ubuntu, it pulls in >1gb of KDE depenencies, so I really don’t see how that’s better than these dreaded electron apps.

        • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          4 hours ago

          Or you can use qbittorrent-nox which is a server-only package of qbittorrent and just interact with it via its the web interface from your favorite browser.

          Mind you, I only know this by chance because I explicitly want to run qbittorrent as a service on an always on machine which is not supposed to be used with keyboard and mouse.

        • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          7 hours ago

          The 1gb of KDE dependencies are one time only, but there’s also the option of just using OpenGL + bare x11 or Wayland for GUI. If my game engine could pull it off, if IMGUI apps could pull it off, then everyone could pull it off, we just need a UI framework not ddependent on either GTK or qt.

          • merdaverse@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            6 hours ago

            “One time only”? In theory yes, in practice I don’t have anything else that needs those KDE dependencies. When I remove qbittorrent I can safely remove them. This is just a reality check that desktop GUI frameworks and package management are really not much better than Electron/html as lots of comments in this thread seem to suggest.

      • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        9 hours ago

        A lot of fancy early RGB mouse came with a companion app that needed 10MB at most, and that was ridiculed.

  • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
    63·
    16 hours ago

    The driver for your mouse occupies a few kilobytes. The shitty app and AI garbage bloatware occupies the rest.

    • MazonnaCara89@lemmy.mlEnglish
      7·
      9 hours ago

      There’s something inside you
      It’s hard to explain
      They’re talking about you, boy
      But you’re still the same

  • MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    28·
    15 hours ago

    holy fucking shit. I once programmed a mouse driver for an 8 bit computer with 32kb of ram. I don’t remember the exact size of the compiled driver but it was under 1kb.

    Today’s tech companies probably couldn’t even figure out a way to make a hello world in python without it needing 100gb of storage, an Intel Core9/AMD Ryzen 7000 or better, an internet connection and an online user account.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      3·
      4 hours ago

      The actual driver for an HID USB device, even on WIndows, is still just a few KB.

      Worse, the default driver for HID devices like mice, keyboards, joysticks, gamepads and so on is part of Windows since Windows 7 and all you had to do was give it an INF file that really just associated USB hardware devices that sent the PC a specific identifier (made up of a VID and a PID value) on USB protocol initialization, with that built-in driver - and that file is maybe 100 bytes. Even better, that INF file is not even needed anymore since Windows 10.

      A driver for a mouse (pretty much the simplest Human Interface Device there is) that in addition to the normal mouse thing also supports setting the RGB color of some lights is stupidly simple because the needed functionality is already in the protocol.

      Remember, modern digital electronics still uses really tiny processors sometimes with less than 32KB flash memory (and way less than that in RAM) only they’re microcontrollers rather than microprocessors now, hence the protocols are designed so that they can be handled by processing hardware with little memory (after all, many USB Hosts aren’t PCs but instead are things like USB HUDs which have microcontrollers not microprocessors)

      I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that almost the entirety of that 1GB is bloatware.

    • HugeNerd@lemmy.caEnglish
      8·
      13 hours ago

      Maybe a Docker or two, perhaps a VM in the cloud. Is that still hip with the kids?

  • SaltySalamander@fedia.io
    15·
    15 hours ago

    The driver consumes a few KB. The bullshit software that you don’t need to install is what’s consuming the GB.

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    85·
    21 hours ago

    wtf AI in your mouse driver?

    Oh yeah, totally not logging your every mouse movement, no sir, not at all!

  • ØR10N5B3LT@midwest.socialEnglish
    1741·
    23 hours ago

    maybe this will help, if you wanted to ditch the logi driver:

    https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar

    Solaar is a Linux manager for many Logitech keyboards, mice, and other devices that connect wirelessly to a Unifying, Bolt, Lightspeed or Nano receiver as well as many Logitech devices that connect via a USB cable or Bluetooth. Solaar is not a device driver and responds only to special messages from devices that are otherwise ignored by the Linux input system.

    • ☂️-@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      31 minutes ago

      piper is also great. openrgb works too if all you want is to change led colors.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
      141·
      21 hours ago

      I hope one day theres something similar to this, but for 8bitdo.

      I have an 8bitdo keyboard, and in order to map my buttons, I need to boot up a windows 10 hard drive, do my one time edits, save them to the keyboard, and THEN I can turn off the pc, swap back to my ZorinOS hard drive, and THEN I can go about as normal.

      And if for some reason somethings wrong, or didn’t take, I’d have to repeat the whole process all over again.

      All because the keyboard manager doesn’t work on linux. But it’s not logitech.

      • dubyakay@lemmy.caEnglish
        14·
        17 hours ago

        Sell the 8bitdo keyboard and buy one instead that is capable of running with QMK or ZMK firmware and is configurable by either VIA or VIAL.

        • Da Bald Eagul@feddit.nlEnglish
          1·
          6 hours ago

          Wooting keyboards are also really nice, and are configured through a web interface. It’s also a Dutch company, so if you want to buy European it’s definitely a good choice :)

          • dubyakay@lemmy.caEnglish
            11·
            15 hours ago

            QMK and ZMK are FOSS firmwares that can run on Atmel AVR and ARM chips like the RP2040.

            VIA or VIAL are config utilities that you can use to remap your keyboard on the fly.

          • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            8·
            17 hours ago

            I’m going to assume these are open source apps because for some reason that’s how those guys like to name stuff.

            • cenzorrll@lemmy.caEnglish
              1·
              5 minutes ago

              Wait for YaQMK and vmk-ng then YaVMK-ngx, which will be forked to yaamksubwthn

      • ogeist@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        20 hours ago

        I have a Flydigi gamepad and I can use a virtual machine with tiny11 to change the configuration. The connection isn’t super stable but for the few times I have to do it, it works.