I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because “Linux can’t play games” despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.
2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can’t even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.
Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.
It’s definitely more frustrating. I’ve had a similar experience trying to help people with their Windows PCs. Thankfully I’ve managed to convince a few to switch to Linux Mint.
Can’t tell if this is a shitpost or not
Linux users on Lemmy: People who don’t run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn’t be using a computer at all!
Also Linux users on Lemmy: Anyone else is unable to install windows from scratch?
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Linux users on Lemmy: People who don’t run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn’t be using a computer at all!
I remember being part of these exact same conversations on other message boards at least 15 years ago.
We’re all going around in circles here as history repeats itself.
There’s more linux circlejerk or “windows bad” posts in this community than actual useful ones.
Of all the circlejerks this one is really silly though. You can complain about so many fucking things about Windows but Windows 11 is really damn easy to install and setup and I’m pretty sure you can do it in 30 mins.
The OP’s whining about Linux playing all the games feels like bait to me. Linux just doesn’t run every game that Windows does and it’s not about how graphically intense it is.
Some linux distros are also damn easy to install, easier than windows just try for yourself
It is no competition on whether linux is easier to install when you can run it off a fucking flash drive.
That doesn’t make Windows 11 hard though.
Even for a Windows user Windows 11 is kind of extra. Install is simple as 10 was, but the nice ends there. First thing you notice is all icons are just gone. No recycle bin, the start button isn’t. I only even know because my wife got a couple of laptops from her grandfather. She wanted one just reset. 11 is what she got. I hate it. The other laptop is now purring on Ubuntu. I like it. It’s not what I’m used to, but I have Blender on it and a slicer. I was hoping that Linux music production might be a thing, but nah. So, I also still have to keep my Windows 10 desktop alive, because that’s where my no longer supported Reason 10 lives.
I’ve done so many windows 11 installs and always had the recycle bin. I really don’t see the hate for Windows 11 other than the account login shit but most people I know still use Geforce experience and that requires a login.
@Pat_Riot @linux @Tak Some of these might be useful:
https://www.tecmint.com/free-music-creation-or-audio-editing-softwares-for-linux/Thanks, that does give me a bit more to check out. I have Ardour and Muse, neither works without more dabbling than I have been in the mood for. Renoise looks interesting, I may try it next. I know I’m just spoiled, but I’m just not interested in trying to speed run the growing pains. I’m fine with baby steps. I sincerely appreciate the link. I bookmarked it for later delving.
It has to be, windows makes it super easy to install so they can get your data faster.
Jokes on them. I
OP:
I run Arch btw
I have found windows is easier to install every time. This is just another windows bad linux good post. Windows has so many issues, but installation is not one of them. Even my 10 year old cousin installs it fine.
Me neither. Linux is my main Operating System but… We can’t generalize one Windows experience just like we can’t generalize one Linux experience.
It’s a lot easier to do the former than the latter. Windows fixes a lot of things about the experience, but maybe not the exact flavoring / theming.
Linux you can’t say anything about the experience besides sweeping generalizations by distro.
I agree with this. I use Linux exclusively at home, but for work I have a windows laptop. It’s really not that bad. I for sure don’t like it as much, but it isn’t atrocious.
In my experience, installation of Win or Lin has been pretty easy. Lin has less options to opt out of (I like) than windows, but windows set everything up just fine. The only time I ever had issues on either is if I try to install without an active ether net connected. If I don’t have the os update during install, I run into random driver issues on either os.
Yeah, I genuinely do not understand having used Windows, Linux, and MacOS. They are making it sound like it’s trying to decipher some unknown language. Even a quick YouTube would have solved how to install a exe.
Windows bad, upvotes to the left
People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.
You missed the part where you either sign in with your Microsoft account or cut your Internet, remove the webcam, fake your own death, and do the secret tap code in the bios to just have the OS without letting Microsoft into your butthole.
Windows 11 doesn’t force you do any of that. Just skip the sign in. Your points were valid in 8/10 era but no more.
It depends on the version, but yes, it does. It’s especially a problem on prebuilt machines and laptops. It is incredibly annoying to work with in a corporate environment. Our helpdesk tech comes to me with issues related to this probably three times a week. I gave up with work arounds and we just have a throwaway Microsoft account now.
Rufus has workarounds for the mandatory login.
Who is this Rufus fellow? Is he like Tux?
He’s that chill future guy from Bill & Ted’s excellent adventure.
Windows app for flashing ISOs to your USB. It provides additional options for flashing Windows 11.
Not true. 11 very much still forces you to use an MS account.
There is a secret command you can do to setup without Internet. But they hide it on the startup command line.
On the “Oops, you’ve lost internet connection” or “Let’s connect you to a network” page, use the “Shift + F10” keyboard shortcut.
In Command Prompt, type the OOBE\BYPASSNRO command to bypass network requirements on Windows 11 and press Enter.
You can just enter a fake Microsoft account and password. When it doesn’t work, it gives the option to continue with an offline account (or at least whatever version I installed did)
So basically what @dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works just said.
sure, 7 months ago
Oh sorry, I don’t know how I got on this old post.
Very much doesn’t my guy.
Home won’t let you do domain join, I think you have to go halfway through setup then select local account.
Why would absolutely anyone on this sub install Home? Microsoft themselves make a multi-edition .iso available on their website. And funnily enough now, Microsoft supports the hosting of massgravel. Should it take as many steps as it does two make a local account? No, but it’s literally two extra clicks.
We are talking about a product not for ourselves. Pro is twice the price of home as well.
I just installed 11 recently. There isn’t a skip button anymore. I had to enter fake sign in details for it to give me the “offline” option.
So it seems like their point may still stand.
Someone pointed out that Pro version still doesn’t require sign in. I’ve only dealt with Pro and didn’t know it’s different than Home in this thing. Sorry for being overly confident.
That’s not accurate. The new versions of Windows 11 make you restart the OOBE with a flag to disable the MS login requirement. His points also weren’t valid during the 8/10 era, because back then you could just click offline experience at the bottom left. You didn’t even need to disable WiFi, just don’t connect.
Edit: Seems Pro lets you install without an account, home does not. Most of the laptops I’ve worked on come with home.
Ah I’m sorry I’ve installed Win11 on several computers but they’ve all been Pro version. I didn’t know that Home is different.
Nah its understandable. I had no idea it was different either.
Not true on Windows 11 home that ships with new hardware. You need to disable all network connections and run some terminal commands to set up a local account. It is not convenient at all. Granted you can easily add a local account, after you have set it up with a Microsoft account, but that sort of defeats the purpose.
I just use the Konami code and it bypasses so that. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Try doing it on a b650 motherboard that’s so new the windows installer doesn’t even have the correct ahci drivers
What kind of mobo manufacture would ship something without Windows drivers?
He said it has windows drivers, but windows don’t have its drivers in its installer
Gigabyte apparently. They have drivers on their website. Windows 11 just wanted to be extremely picky about the storage device I used. There was probably a cd with drivers in the motherboard box but who tf has a cd drive these days? Just formatting ntfs on any flash drive is apparently not good enough. Also, no matter which version of the drivers I used, unchecking “hide incompatible drivers” was the only way to make anything ever show up. I’m 100% sure I was using the correct ones for the exact motherboard model and revision number.
I bought a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and an Asrock X670E, I was upgrading and just transferred my Windows install but still… No issues.
I’m no huge fan of Windows, but it sounds like you had (No offense) PEBKAC errors.
I’m no huge fan of Windows, but it sounds like you had (No offense) PEBKAC errors.
I think so too and no offense meant to OP as well.
I am an early adopter of all things tech and so I had a Gigabyte Xtreme X670E mobo on pretty much day 1 to go with a 7950X. Everything worked fine on both Windows 11 and Linux despite being a pimped-up mobo and brand new CPU. At this much later date, OP’s B650 mobo should be working without a hitch, especially with Windows (and almost certainly with Linux as well).
So a similar experience as that of Linux? /s
Sorry, could you repeat that? Slower, if possible
People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.
They’re wrong, of course.
You don’t have to enter a license key.
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Same on many linux distros but without having to enter a license key
Nah you have to spend at least an hour researching how to not create an account (spoiler: ther is no option, you just have to not connect it to the internet)
It’s a joke post. Which makes it extra funny, and quite sad, how many of the comment seem to think it’s serious and are unironically chiming in with complaints.
OPs username is “Peter Poopshit”, I wouldn’t take anything they post seriously.
Several people thinking this post is too stupid to possibly be real because they think linux users are smart says everything you need to know about this community.
I cant tell if people in this thread are trolls, ultra elite linux shills, or just people incapable of following simple instructions…
Like I get it, windows bad or w/e… But to act like it takes longer than an hour or two to install it, let alone 2 whole fucking days is just asinine.
Imagine having enough of a skill issue that it takes you 2 days to install Windows OS. The OS that idiot proofs itself by literally holding your hand on every option and walks you through itself to install.
Im not even joking, I re-install and have installed windows the past few years multiple times on personal devices for myself and my family and friends and even do it for professional devices and servers for my job. It is brain dead easy, enough that my tech illiterate grandparents managed to re-install it before I could make the drive to meet them and do it for them… I can’t take this OP or anyone else seriously if they can manage to install a linux based OS but somehow have 2 days worth of trouble with Windows OS…
100%
Lot of problems with the directions windows has gone or is going (cortana finally gone), but people need to chill if they think the OS is unusable or something.
Anecdotally I’m hoping SteamOS continues to progress how it has so there are even more reasons to not depend on Windows.
Yo I forgot about SteamOS! I need to check in on that, thanks for reminding me!
Yes. I have done so many installs of Windows 10 LTSC in the last few years and even on HDD it doesn’t take that much time.
This is a legit troll post. Despite Linux being better in some aspects, Windows totally steamrolls Linux on being easy to install.
Heck W10 LTSC has been super smooth and stable for me for the past 2 years on my work machine which I tend to use more than my Personal Laptop which runs Manjaro.
OP is just wanting to shit on Windows because this is a Linux community.
ROFL windows is the easiest thing ever to install. Same with steam.
Sounds like either you’re terrible with computers or you have some serious hardware issues.
Blaming it solely on windows is a joke.
@Coreidan @PeterPoopshit ah, can you install windows without a microsoft-cloud account nowadays ? Please tell me how.
Yes, I’ve set up several work computers without internet. You can make a local account on set-up.
Don’t give it internet access during setup.
It’s kinda funny how many people have no problem at all with a cloud account on their phone but get a mild stroke when Windows asks them to create a Microsoft account.
Sounds like you have never installed linux
I have installed many Linux distributions. What is your point?
If you’re trying to convince me that windows is more complicated to install then it’s pretty clear you’ve never installed windows.
At this point in the game neither Linux or windows requires more then a few mouse clicks to install their OS.
If you’re having trouble with either then you’re doing something very very wrong or using wrong/bad hardware.
Have you actually installed Windows in the last decade? I mean from scratch, mind you.
Yes, it’s part of my job, it’s super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Wow wow wow wow
Wow
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It was a few clicks and leaving my laptop AFK to install. The only semi inconvenient part was finding a way around not using a Microsoft account. Other than that, it’s about as brainless of an installer as it gets. My dog could do it with direction from me.
It takes like 15 minutes to go from bare metal to login. I built my own PC in March and installed Windows from scratch from a USB drive.
Yes, multiple times. It usually go this way:
- the installer starts
- I click on next a few times
- it asks the key
- next
- next
- nextnextnextnext
- the desktop shows up about 20-30 mins later
It’s literally a nightmare.
Not op. I installed windows 10 on my custom built desktop and my kids custom built desktop, on VM, etc. Have not had a problem and it was pretty simple overall. I’m sure some folks do have issues, though. Shit happens. Is windows 11 shittier for install? I’ve never had the desire to try :)
I’ve also installed various Linux distros on the above and a few other computers (Mint, Nobara, Fedora). Aside from Mint not working with my AMD RX 6600, no problems there either, really. And these distros installed easily.
Again, ymmv. I knew Mint would probably fail because the 5.19 kernel does not seem to like my GPU. That’s why I switched to Nobara in the first place (iirc the 6.x kernel wasn’t available at the time)
Yes, regularly.
ROFL, I like Linux, but if you can’t install windows 11 easily. The problem isn’t win11…
The problem is you cursed somebody out on Xbox Live in 2018 and now your Microsoft account is banned.
Windows 11’s installer is a mess on anything but the most vanilla hardware configurations.
For example, I am unable to install Windows 11 on my PC because, for some infuriating reason, it keeps trying to install its bootloader on my SATA HDDs instead of the NVME drive I explicitly tell it to install onto, and then failing. It doesn’t seem like there’s any way forward except to physically disconnect all my SATA drives before installing. One of these days I might need Windows enough to go to that trouble, but right now I’m happy enough single-booting Linux.
Never mind the artificial limitations on TPM configurations. I didn’t need to edit my BIOS settings to install Linux, but Windows threw a little fit.
Boot into BIOS, disable the controller for the SATA drives, install on nvme, revert BIOS config.
Unfortunately my MSI BIOS doesn’t let me disable the ports. :(
Nice bait I guess. Windows may have bad things, but I have no idea what you’re talking about here
I’m a daily Linux user and I despise windows, but I have a hard time believing this bullshit. I know it’s fun to fuck on windows, but either you did something crazy wrong or you’re just ranting about something on windows that doesn’t actually exist.
Sounds like a skill issue on your behalf.
Definitely a skill issue at play here.
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Sounds like the problem was between the keyboard and chair.
Exactly. Layer 8 problem.
Ooh, gonna add that to my phrasebook
What’s a Layer 8
You’ll sometimes hear IT people use “Layer 8 problem” which is a reference to the OSI networking model. The model has 7 layers. It starts at layer-1, the physical layer (the literal wires that the signals flow through), and ends with layer-7, the application later (things like http, ftp, etc.).
“Layer-8” isn’t technically part of the OSI model, but unofficially it refers to the human layer, or the user. When IT people are troubleshooting an issue, trying to identify where in the model the issue is happening, “layer-8” is a tongue-in-cheek way of saying “there isn’t an actual problem… the person is the problem”.
Another good one is the “ID10T” error (read as “I-D-ten-T”), which looks a lot like “IDIOT” when written down. It means the same thing.
How the fuck does anybody have trouble running Windows these days?
Bruh if you can’t figure out Windows then just give up.
This is trolling or the actual issue is an PEBKAC issue.
Windows has fallen far from grace in my opinion, but it is not the incompetent smoldering trash fire you are describing. You guys are doing something wrong.
Three options.
- PEBKAC in the extreme
- Failing hardware causing serious software issues
- Creative writing exercise.
I thought this would be a post complaining about the usablility of windows as a desktop, not the one thing windows does right…
