Feel free to use this a megathread for the US/Israeli war on Iran.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    11 hours ago

    It’s more than just inconvenience. The US does not have a good track record fighting prolonged conflicts. They can destroy a country and make millions of people suffer, but they rarely achieve long term objectives.

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      10 hours ago

      I would argue that their long term objectives are usually achieved, USA pretty much control the whole world.

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        the US absolutely doesn’t control the world, the war in Ukraine and recent attempt at a trade war with China is a great example of just how weak the empire really is. The US failed to subdue Russia and their attempt to cut Russia out of the global economy resulted in a separate economic system forming with increasing amount of trade happening outside western control. Now, global majority is allied with China against the empire, and hence why we see the US desperately lashing out.

        The US has hit an inflection point where the cost of maintaining the empire outstrips the plunder. All the forever wars have drained critical resources, while financial capitalism moved essential production overseas. Now the US finds that it has little economic leverage, and its material base is eroded.

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          Failed to subdue Russia

          Russia’s own corrupt ineptitude did that one mate. Russia should have taken Ukraine in days and its been years. They have not even gotten Zelenskyy.

          And it was never a direct conflict with the US.

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          the US absolutely doesn’t control the world

          We are in a thread about US government killing the leader of a country on the other side of the world without any disturbance. No other country can do something like.

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            You genuinely think that Russia or China does not have the capability to do that? The difference here isn’t that the US is more capable, it’s that it’s a rabid dog.

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              russia and china don’t have the capability to launch a full scale attack on a country on the other side of the world. US government is able to attack iran because they have control all over the region and in between

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                Russia and China are nuclear superpowers, they can turn any country into glass. Meanwhile, the US isn’t even able to produce weapons on its own with importing critical things like rare earths from China which the US isn’t capable of producing in any significant quantity. If you think that deindustrialized shithole that’s currently being outproduced by Russia militarily is a global hegemon, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

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                  North korea has nukes too, that doesn’t mean they have the capability to successfully attack any county in the world and kill the leader without any repercussions. It seem like you believe russia and china are better than US empire but that doesn’t automatically make them more powerful, combined the two countries doesn’t spend in war as half of what US does.

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          “The dying serpent always bites”. The roman empire went out like this too, overextending itself with a lot of imperialist wars, then devolving into internal strife and instability until it hollowed out and everyone left.

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            Indeed, it does seem to be a consistent pattern throughout the ages. I imagine a big part of it is that the ruling class becomes increasingly disconnected from material reality, and they start making decisions based on how they think the world works rather than how it actually is.

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        You’d argue and you’d lose that argument. If you think the Empire controls the world then you’re clearly not seeing or you don’t want to see how it’s collapsing. If they would have accomplished their objectives they wouldn’t have a single opposition force in the world, yet there are plenty. Maybe you think the world is white people only? Because they do have control over all of their colonies and they are all white Westerners.

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          5 hours ago

          The day US government will be unable to successfully attack a different country every month i would start to argue that they power is collapsing

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            Attacking a different country every month isn’t really a sign of strength.

            Militarily the US is very powerful, but its actual influence is on the decline.

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              Attacking a different country every month isn’t really a sign of strength.

              They are successfully attacking a different country every month and getting away with it with almost none repercussion. If this is not a sign of strength what else is?

              Militarily the US is very powerful, but its actual influence is on the decline.

              To me it looks like only the public perception of US government is on the decline, most world government are still aligned with US