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/u/outwrangle before everything went to shit in 2020, /u/emma_lazarus for a while after that, now I’m all queermunist!

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  • Obviously Eastern civilization was also shaped by the crusades? I’m just describing the historical forces that lead us to this point and pointing out that Islamophobia isn’t the “new global currency of power” as claimed by the OP. It’s as old as the West as a sociopolitical force of history.

    In different historical conditions where the Caliphate conquered the Americas instead of Christendom the exact opposite would have happened, maybe Europe would have been colonized by Asia, but that’s not the world we live in.

    But now the Caliphate and the Ottomans are gone. The West conquered the world and colonized the East, so hatred of Islam has become normalized by the hegemon because the West rules the world. But it’s not new.


  • Be careful with statements like that because one could just as easily reverse them.

    I have no idea what you’re trying to say?

    My statement is that Western civilization grew out of the crusades, the reason Europe pretends to be a different continent from the rest of Asia. Its the foundation for the Doctrine of Discovery, for Manifest Destiny, for Orientalism and the whole colonial period. It’s what created the West as a sociopolitical force in history.

    You can’t reverse it without reversing history. You’d have to let the Caliphate be the ones that conquered the Americas to actually create the reverse situation.

    The Fall of Acre to the Mamluks marks the final expulsion of the Crusaders from the Holy Land, though the last major Crusades continued into the late 13th century.

    Yes, and Columbus wanted to start another Crusade by opening a Western passage to Asia. The fact that he ran into another continent is the only reason he didn’t try to take back Jerusalem.

    But they never stopped! The Europeans took back Jerusalem when they defeated the Ottomans in WW1, then in the 1940s they established Israel as a new crusader state with the stroke of a pen. Instead of Christendom we have Judeochristian values, but there’s a clear continuity.

    The point is, the OP is not describing anything new. This is all part of the precession of history, the same historical forces that created the West are still in play today.