

Realistically, I don’t see Europeans breaking with the US here. But this sort of stuff makes it clear that Iran is able to put real and tangible pressure on the west.


daddy wouldn’t like that one bit


oh absolutely, like Iran is basically doing their version of sanctions against the west right now, and it’s working


it’s a whole new experience for the burger reich to take on an opponent that can fight back


It’s probably a combination of both. They are effectively under US occupation, and they also figured that they were too valuable for the US not to protect them. Now they’re realizing that they’re expendable, and that Americans can’t save them, but it’s too late.


It’s going to be interesting to see if these proxies can even survive now. They all have one dimensional economies built around energy exports, and if this war goes on for any period of time they’re going to start crashing. And I’m sure being allied with US and Israel against Iran isn’t exactly playing well with their public either.


That depends, if they are killed by an Iranian or Russian strike then absolutely. If they’re killed by the Epstein coalition then it’s complicated.


The most disturbing part is that they don’t even understand that they’re evil. They genuinely see themselves as being on the right side of history.


Actually, I think that’s exactly the goal. Iran knows they have to fight asymmetrically, and attacking the economies of the US and their allies is basically the plan that they’ve developed. They’ve demonstrated their ability to enforce the closure of Hormuz, and this is effectively equivalent to what the US has been doing with economic sanctions directed against the west.


we might even have countries get serious about switching to solar and stuff


the really funny part about the whole thing is that Iran managed to basically do the equivalent of sanctions on the US and their allies here, how the tables have turned


They already said they will demand reparations after the war. I’m sure this will be a part of that.


That’s the problem with being a pathological liar, at some point people realize that nothing you say can be taken seriously.


Iranian actions were previously constrained for fear of ending up in an all out war with the US, and they would moderate their response to provocations accordingly. But now Iran has stopped fearing a hypothetical war because they are already living in one. So the whole logic of being restrained no longer applies because you gain nothing by doing that when the US is already bombing the shit out of you. And since they have the upper hand, why not push all the way and remove the US from the region entirely. The alternative is to let the US rebuild, and face the same scenario as before the war again.


oh I guess not exactly news, I just saw it mentioned


that’s literally the official line https://thehill.com/business/5774913-donald-trump-oil-tankers-strait-hormuz/
Possibly, but it will be very difficult for them to do within the framework of EU.