I’m on board that we need to become independent from big tech. As someone who is fond of the Mac user experience, from choosing hardware to how you navigate through apps, I need a guide to make the switch, so if you know of any great guides for Mac users, I’d greatly appreciate it!

Edit: you have all been very useful. I now know a bit more how to start and what it would mean to switch!

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    as a mac & linux user since 2002 and i had a time machine to do it all over again but correctly this time; i would go with a linux first vendor like system76 or tuxedo or any other vendor that uses 100% open source hard/software. (ie coreboot/libreboot).

    linux can work on almost all hardware (including mac) but you’re mileage is going to vary a lot and only the linux first vendors can give you an experience that rivals mac and windows.

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    Some very good advice here already so I’ll be brief.

    Here are some random things that spring to mind as being of note as someone who hasn’t switched exactly, but has used Macs since 1995 and uses Linux alongside macOS.

    • Gnome will be the most familiar on day 1, BUT. It’s amazing how quickly that won’t matter anymore when you’re learning what’s what. I started on Gnome and avoided KDE Plasma, which everyone said was more like Windows - and still ended up liking KDE Plasma the most. Both aesthetically and in terms of how easy it is to adjust anything that might not be quite right.

    • Avoid XFCE if you have a high resolution display, and you’re installing Linux on an old Mac. Customising XFCE to scale things correctly for high resolution is stuff you just don’t want to be messing with as a new Linux user.

    • Avoid X11 and use Wayland (which will be fine if you use KDE or Gnome). X11 was very confusing to me as a Mac user, as certain changes require a reboot. As above, this is just an extra level of complexity you don’t need if you’re used to Macs. On Wayland if you change the visual scale of the interface or cursor size, it just changes then and there. On X11 you’ll be wondering why certain things don’t seem to be changing…

    • On macOS you install apps generally by drag and drop. On Linux, whilst this isn’t actually true when you know what you’re doing, it’s as if you only have the App Store. It might have different names on different distros or DEs, but fundamentally you’re going to have a single repository that all your apps and updates are coming from.

    • Firefox has a hidden menu bar and you have to push alt to bring it up.

    • Apart from swapping ctrl and cmd many keyboard commands will be familiar.

    • It’s ultimately up to you how familiar you want to get with the terminal. Some distros you could genuinely ignore its existence. Others would expect you to use it at times and not supply certain GUI tools for certain things.

    • People are probably right that Linux Mint is the best place to start. You almost certainly will want to switch just to see what else is out there at some point, it’s just how things go. I use KDE Plasma on Debian now. But there’s nothing Mint is lacking or doesn’t have. Ultimately the only reason I’m not still using Mint is because of wanting to use Plasma, which is doable on Mint if anyone wanted to, but not officially supported.

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    dude, you need to narrow your query way, waaay down. are you ditching the mac and getting a PC? are you gonna rock them side by side until you transition? desktop? gaming? laptop? converting an existing macbook to linux? which one? intel? pre-T2, post? which wifi? what’s your daily software stack you depend on?

    all the listed things are possible, some easier, some less so, but, respectfully, nobody’s gonna write up an all-cases guide for your lazy ass. so, hop to it, state your use case and ping back.

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      I’ve gotten a lot of useful advice! I wasn’t looking for a write up, but an existing guide out there. I’m happy with everything people have written.

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        a bunch of that is wrong; people here read “what’s the best thing for this” as “what do you use” and treat it as rooting for a team. I’d still urge you to write up a more detailed post, but you do you.

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          That is one of the things I learned. It’s hard to know what I need without knowing what I could need. Sometimes you don’t know what you use until it’s missing.

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    Assuming you don’t know anything about Linux desktop or server:

    • Be patient.
    • Linux has Desktop Environments, for short “DE” like GNOME and KDE, whose purpose is to provide a graphical interface and useful utilities.
    • Software on Linux is mostly installed through package managers, so you don’t search the web for an installer, you search the web if you need to figure out what software you want to install (alternativeto.net is a good place to start if you already know a similar software), then you install it through your package manager. Some applications won’t be in your distro’s repository, you may want to try installing a flatpak, on KDE you use Discover for that, on GNOME you use GNOME Software. As a last resort you can use AppImages, those are downloaded from the web, ideally from the developer’s GitHub or whatever.
    • Linux has excellent hardware support but it’s a good idea to do a web search when you’re buying new hardware, especially peripherals; manufacturers often don’t write drivers for Linux, so the community has to pick up the slack, usually it’s no problem, but sometimes it is.
    • Linux users can be very opinionated… Think with your own head, only you truly understand your needs.
    • The terminal can be scary but it’s very useful. Once you’re settled in, try to learn a bit about it.
    • Conditional on the previous point: if you have more than one computer, learning ssh can be very useful to control one from the other, exchange small files, etc.
    • ssh and rsync especially are excellent for transferring files safely and without errors, but they’re encrypted, so they have overhead. File shares on Linux are mostly NFS, which is complicated and not widespread, or Samba (SMB/CIFS), which is Microsoft’s protocol reimplemented, this one is easier and usually integrated in DEs, but it has caveats sometimes, so maybe try to set one up before you need it, it’s not fun to deal with in a hurry.
    • Most DEs have system managers to check resource usage and processes (programs), but most people prefer to use terminal utilities like htop, or more recently, the snazzy btop, they can be installed through your package manager.
    • Linux doesn’t have drive letters, it has a file structure that starts at “/”, different mass storage devices can be mounted in arbitrary locations in this structure. For example your personal files will be under /home/yourusername, this could be the same partition as everything else, or it could be a separate one, or a separate drive. If you have a non-removable drive where you store only let’s say Games, you could very well “mount” it under /home/yourusername/Games. This is very useful in some cases, and something that Windows I think implemented but still doesn’t use. Removable drives are usually mounted by the DE and end up in /var/run/media or whatever.
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      Linux doesn’t have drive letters

      MacOS is largely compatible with FreeBSD under the hood, with some minor path differences and a different init system, so…

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    Ignore people telling you you have to use GNOME. Use whatever looks good to you. I actually have a KDE Plasma desktop with a Mac-like layout. The DE doesn’t matter much though.

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      I will say that Gnome will act like you expect out of the box, but it’ll only ever do that. KDE can act like whatever you want, and you can customize it to fit what you want easily. Luckily, like you said, it doesn’t matter. You can install a new one and run either/both.

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      The Mac themes on KDE are pretty great, and so is the customizability. KDE makes things very easy to tweak until you like it. GNOME does not.

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      Fully agree that the DE doesn’t matter much. I’ve used KDE and XFCE the most over the years, and cinnamon, gnome, and even enlightenment a bit over the years. I was never a big fan of gnome, however I recently got a 2in1 laptop, and after a few days of tinkering… I think gnome is a bit better for that kind of interaction than than the others.

      There are things to like and dislike with all of them I’d say.

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        I used a customized XFCE with Peppermint OS 10. They did a redesign with 11 and it just wasn’t the same. I miss that desktop so much. XFCE is great, especially on lower-end hardware. The biggest downer for me is no global menu support.

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      I went from Mac to Linux and use Plasma because I really can’t get on with GNOME. People go on like its 1:1 to macOS, but it really isn’t. GNOME feels so much more restrictive to me.

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    I’m a long term Mac user and have been periodically playing with Linux because I want to fully switch eventually. (full disclosure I currently still have a MacBook I use as well as a Linux desktop)

    I’ve tried Ubuntu, Debian, Elementary, and probably a few others I’ve forgotten, but the first one I’ve really felt is a viable daily driver OS is Bazzite. This is because it largely just works out of the box, such that you only need to install and tweak extra things if you really want to.

    I strongly recommend Bazzite, and I personally prefer the Gnome variant.

    Bazzite gives you:

    • easy way to update everything in one place
    • “App Store” like application to find most apps you’ll need
    • all the basic drivers and utilities you’ll need out of the box
    • a “Files” application that feels like Finder
    • a “Document Viewer” application that feels like Preview (although it’s not as powerful)
    • a quick search feature that’s a lot like Apple’s Spotlight, and honestly is way more reliable than Spotlight in more recent macOS releases
    • multitouch trackpad gesture support out of the box
    • a Settings app that is pretty straightforward to navigate and controls most of the things you would care about
    • There are other settings apps for finer tweaking. I know that sounds confusing, but Linux people wouldn’t complain if it wasn’t possible to change every detail somehow. Bazzite does a good job of making the important stuff accessible in the main settings app IMO, so you generally don’t have to worry about the deeper options.

    Here’s a guide to get you started:

    1. Go here: https://bazzite.gg/
    2. Fill out the dropdowns (Q: What hardware are you using? A: Desktop, Q: Who is the vendor of your primary GPU? A: this depends, it’s important to get it right, ask for help if you are unsure, Q: What desktop environment do you prefer? A: I recommend gnome, but KDE is great too, Q: Do you want Steam Gaming Mode? A: No, I want a traditional desktop experience)
    3. Click the “download Bazzite …” button
    4. Make a USB stick into a bootable Bazzite installer (I recommend using https://etcher.balena.io/)
    5. Boot your computer from the USB stick. How to do this depends on the motherboard, but generally means holding down a key while booting (on a Mac it’s Option, on other computers it’s often something like Del or F2 or F12 or something) This will bring you to a menu that you navigate with keyboard arrows until you find the option to boot from the USB
    6. Follow the steps from the installer. It’s pretty user friendly.

    Note that this will delete all data in the USB you use and the drive you install Bazzite on

    Once you have installed Bazzite, here are a few programs I’d recommend (these can be found in the “Bazaar”, which is an “App Store” like way to get programs.

    • VLC (like QuickTime in macOS, but honestly VLC is way more powerful)
    • LibreOffice (there are a couple FOSS Office suite options, this is the one I personally recommend)
    • KdenLive (video editing - like iMovie or Final Cut)
    • GIMP (like Adobe Photoshop)
    • Disk Usage Analyzer (like DaisyDisk on Mac), if you’ve ever used that
    • Mailspring (I haven’t found an email app that is quite as nice as Apple’s but Mailspring is the one I’m currently using)

    If you have any other questions let me know! I’m happy to help.

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      Bazzite mostly just works in good part because it’s based on Fedora, which mostly just works.

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      I’ve been daily driving Bazzite with Gnome too for the last few weeks! It works perfectly fine, but I was weirdly unhappy with the aesthetic of it, despite knowing for a fact that I love Gnome, especially the bare-bones Gnome that CachyOS has.
      I only found out about Gnome extensions a few days ago while trying to get rid of the ugly Bazzite Logo in my top bar. It’s probably super obvious to anyone else, but those extensions make such a huge difference and playing around with different ones is absolutely worth it!
      OP, if you do end up going with Bazzite, go to the “Extension Manager” and toggle a few of those on or off to see the difference! Getting new ones is super easy too!

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        Yeah the extensions are important. I have my top bar completely hidden until I open quick search. I like the aesthetic of a completely clear screen with just my desktop background and my windows (I also generally configure macOS this way as well).

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    You should probably start by listing the programs you need. Everything else such as gaming/customization is distro specific.

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    Gnome Desktop will be the most familiar UI and workflow for you. Other than that, just take note of your existing software stack, and check to see which will also have Linux builds to install.

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      Really depends on what is considered nice about MacOS. Just had a new on-boarding with someone who really liked their Mac keybindings and it seems getting those dialed in is nicer (easier? better?) on KDE. I’d also generally gravitate towards Gnome for Mac users though.

      As a piece of advice for OP: Accept the use of keybindings over the touchpad. Mac has done a great job and I have not seen a Linux laptop/distro combination that nails it. Search for the pain-points after switching and ask about it (kindly) on a community like this.

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          Nah, the precision Apple touchpads had 10 years ago still is unmatched today by Windows or Linux, but I’m afraid that’s not a software issue

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          Even the gestures? Mac’s gesturing system for the UI and all native and most non native apps is why I stay with it.

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            The MacOS specific ones like zooming out to show all active windows in a workspace, or flipping to the next app aren’t there because, well…that’s MacOS specific.

            All the more universal ones like pinch to zoom, scrolling…etc are all there. I actually used an Apple TouchPad for years just because I had it around. Worked fine.

            You can also run a simple plugin in Gnome to map custom gestures to whatever you want if needed.

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        For keybinds, there is the project Toshy which redirects keys to emulate Mac bindings. It has some issues but works pretty well in my experience

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    From a Linux beginner: I switched from mac with 0 knowledge of Linux. Did some searching, found Ubuntu Budgie, haven’t switched since. I bring it up cuz I was specifically looking for something that looked Mac similar, and it came up. It’s not as Mac as I originally thought, but I find it pretty approachable so I figured I’d share.

    I think some more advanced users have issues with Ubuntu, I’ll leave them to comment. There may also be better options for Mac feel, perhaps those mentioned. For me, this was Mac enough I haven’t switched away and I haven’t gone back. Happy searching! :)

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    What’s different between Mac OS and Linux besides Apple’s cloud walled garden? You can bash your way through both file systems. Windows is the outlier.

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      privacy.

      apple has proven time and time again that they’ll cave to the american government at any an all oppurtunities while doing theater to pretend to protect its users.

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    There are a lot of differences and a lot of similarities between the operating systems here. It will take you time to get used to no matter what you do. Start by swapping your apps on your existing Mac, trade out any apps that you know won’t work on Linux with apps that do. That way, you spend some time in your existing environment with the new apps you’re going to need going forward.

    Next, make sure to test out your peripherals in a live environment. Does everything you use with your computer work correctly? If not, find out why. See if you can mitigate it, or if you’ll need to replace stuff.

    Finally, be willing to experiment. I know others in this thread will recommend various desktop environments and distributions to you. Try many of them. GNOME is good and simple out of the box, feels kinda mac-like, but if you want to completely replicate the functionality of macOS, KDE Plasma has more options for that like global menus and the file management app (Dolphin) is incredibly extensible and customizable.

    Try to have fun with it, and don’t give up. It takes time to learn a new way of working, and you will likely have frustrations along the way, but ultimately the goal is to learn and figure out what works best for your needs.

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      This is really good advice thank you! Someone mentioned using a usb to test. How can I test? It seems like quite a hassle to set it all up just to find out it’s not my thing.

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        Look into a distro that you might like, and find a “live usb” of it, often it is the installation media itself. How it works is basically it is a linux already installed on a disk image you transfer to the usb, and tell the computer to boot from it. Instructions on all this usually comes with the live usb media. Then you usually get a “try it out” or “install” option, or it just leaves you at a pre-configured desktop. Click around, install stuff, browse the web, get a feel for it.

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    I’d also recommend installing UTM on your Mac and paying string with different distros in a virtual environment.

    I’d recommend Fedora KDE Plasma.

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    Depending on how all-in on the Apple you are, there will be a few main sticking points for you.

    1: Gestures If you use a trackpad, you’re going to have to adjust to a more limited set of gesture commands. The same with button mapping on a mouse. You’ll almost certainly need to learn new ways to move around your desktops.

    2: PDFs Preview is a godsend to Mac users. Preview does everything bar editing PDFs. You will no longer have Preview. You’ll need to find three or four applications that replicate its features. And all of them will feel a bit lacking in comparison.

    3: Apple Music Apple don’t believe in Linux, so if you use AM and wish to continue listening to lossless on your computer, you’re going to have to either use WinBoat to run a Windows VM into which you can install AM, or you’re going to need to use Waydroid in order to run the Android version of the AM app. Neither is great, but both (mostly) work.

    But ultimately it is worth it. I use my Mac much less than I used to, and my iPad almost not at all now.

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      This is really useful. I don’t use Apple Music, but the gestures and preview do sound like something to get used to. Why is there no third party preview? Seems like a pretty basic program to have.

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        In terms of gestures, the one thing I do still struggle with is Linux not having a useful equivalent to BetterTouchTool. Whenever I set up a new macOS, that’s pretty much the first thing I install. As a result, I’m so used to using a middle click for Expose that even after a year of mostly using Linux, I still find myself middle clicking several times a day and wondering why it’s not showing me all the windows.

        The closest I’ve found is Input Remapper, which can help you get your mouse buttons to perform a bunch of things. However, as far as I can tell, it will only allow you to save one at a time, which makes it mostly useless. So I’m forcing myself to get used to the Linux defaults instead.

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        I’m not from mac land, so I don’t know how much Preview does. I’ll comment on how its done in PC land.

        • PDF’s have been handled by web browsers for a while now. Firefox will open and offer basic editing capabilities. Comes pre-installed on most distros.
        • Images are handled by the DE’s default image previewer which usually has rudimentary editing capabilities. Installed by default.

        Or you can get other apps that handle PDF’s and images.
        Switching to linux means switching to other applications. You aren’t getting Preview and you aren’t getting Safari. You get other software that does the same things.

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          Literally the only thing Preview can’t do is edit a PDF. It can do markup and annotation, but not edit the basic structure of the document.

          That one program can rotate individual pages, add and remove them, resize them, crop them. You can reorder pages just by dragging the thumbnail around in the side bar. It’s really, really useful.

          In my year or so of using Linux I’ve yet to find one program that can replicate everything Preview can do, so I have several that I draw upon depending on my need. It’s little things like that which keep me from fulling abandoning macOS.

          Apple are many things, but their history of making software that puts the user first is a huge chunk of why so many people swear by using Apple stuff.

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    I landed on KDE and I don’t worry about it matching my Mac desktop, though you certainly could. The thing I miss most is the Finder, oddly. There’s not much in Linux world that gives Miller columns, unfortunately.

    I’ll mention that if you like your Mac keyboard, or just want to keep using the familiar shortcuts, check out Toshy. It remaps the keys so that command still does what you expect it to do.