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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 11 months ago

New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

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New Polling Shows Significant Ukrainian Support for Diplomacy to End the War

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 11 months ago
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There is more dissent from the Zelensky government’s war aims than may appear.
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    How were they going to get a legitimate election after a coup overthrew the legitimate government genius?

    and no free elections in Donbas

    Last I checked it was Ukraine and not Donbas that cancelled elections, but do go on. Your fantasies are really interesting.

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      Why would they not be able to get one? Are you suggesting Ukrainians are unable to govern themselves or hold free elections? Where is the proof of that?

      Are you suggesting that Ukraine can not ever hold free elections after a coup, but Donbas can while under armed invasion of a foreign country?

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        The proof is in the fact that the regime literally cancelled elections, banned opposition parties, and free media.

        Are you suggesting that Ukraine can not ever hold free elections after a coup, but Donbas can while under armed invasion of a foreign country?

        Donbas has had election long before it INVITED Russia to intervene on its behalf. The same way breakaway regions of Yugoslavia invited NATO to intervene.

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          I don’t remember any elections before Russian troops arrived (aka the little green men). When exactly were these elections held?

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            A great way to say that you didn’t pay any attention to Donbas for the past decade.

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              A great way not answering my question. When was this election held on Donbas that resulted in the invitation of Russian troops?

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                Is google blocked at your troll farm?

                https://tass.com/politics/1514667

                https://sputnikglobe.com/20220223/dpr-lpr-ask-putins-assistance-to-repel-aggression-of-ukrainian-forces---kremlin-1093313077.html

                https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/10/02/signature-of-treaties-accepting-the-dpr-lpr-and-zaporozhye-kherson-oblasts-as-part-of-russia/

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                  The very first sentence in thr very first source says the referendum was held in September 2022, while Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022. If my math checks out, September comes after February. Or are you referring to some other referendum? Could you be more specific?

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                    DPR and LPR have been autonomous since 2014, the heads of the republics made a formal request for assistance from Russia in February after Russia recognized their independence https://www.rt.com/russia/550394-donbass-republics-military-help-putin/

                    This was intentionally modelled on the precedent NATO set on Yugoslavia where NATO recognized the independence of the breakaway regions and then had them invite NATO for assistance. Russia is just following the legal precedent set by the rules based order we keep hearing about.

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