• Riddick3001@lemmy.worldOP
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    "If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said. It said the Ukrainian army stood “ready to act under any circumstances”.

    In his nightly video message, Zelenskiy said Russia was planning to “simulate an attack” on the plant. “But in any case, the world sees – and cannot fail to see – that the only source of danger to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is Russia. And no one else.”

    Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions"

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      "If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said.

      Not gonna lie, that’s pretty smart. Now if Ukraine decides to start shelling the plant, they can just pretend that it’s actually Russia that detonated some charges.

      I think that’s a pattern we’ll start seeing more and more.

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      Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions

      I’m starting to see a pattern here…

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      EDIT: i removed this comment previously because lemmy hiccuped and registered the one about bridge selling twice.

      And despite it being empty, it still recieved 23 downvotes.

      This is how factual discussion with liberals is.

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      Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions

      Judging from the comments, he could probably finance that entire war just by selling bridges to liberals -_-

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    These comments… I wasn’t expecting Lemmy to be russian bots just chatting with each other.

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    How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? “Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can’t have it, better be dead too”?

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      I’m guilty of this as well, but perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that people can have differing opinions and be vocal about them without being bots or trolls.

      I’m sorry for having behaved rude just because some people have a different take on this war. I mean, unless they’re as obvious as the government sponsored bullshit on Twitter where 3 accounts write the same crap in the same thread. 🌚

      I’m also in no way a Putin fan.

  • TCE@lemmy.world
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    Budanov, Head of Ukrainian Intelligence, now reverses his stance and claims that the threat of “artificial catastrophe” at the ZNPP is “quietly decreasing”.

    In other words, he called off the attack.

    What changed?

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/921266-amp.html

    June 21-30: Ukraine ramped up rhetoric that Russia had plans to sabotage ZNPP.

    July 1-4: Massive external scraping on Twitter causing Elon to limit user views.

    July 6: Ukraine claims threat of ZNPP sabotage is no more.

    Maybe Western Intelligence were using AI to scrape social media to gauge public perception of the ZNPP/Ukraine, to see if the public were buying their Russian sabotage psyop.

    What they found was that the public logically pieced together that Ukraine/Deep State are the ones who benefit from the potential sabotage, as their goal is to convince NATO to takeover the war and drag the US directly into conflict with Russia, because the counter-offensive was a catastrophe and the Ukrainian military failed.

    Nobody was buying Zelensky’s claims. Even the IAEA went out of their way to tell us that these claims of Russian-planted explosives were unverified.

    Maybe Western Intelligence saw that the public were not buying their psyop attempt, and AI judged that they couldn’t successfully pull it off because the data they scraped showed that the public were too keen to their plot. Thus Budanov claiming the threat has magically disappeared.

    In other words, maybe public awareness might have just prevented Chernobyl 2.0.

    Regardless of if this is what actually happened or not, one thing is for certain; citizen journalists are dominating in the Information War right now. We are taking Western propaganda and dismantling it in quick succession. The enemy have lost their stranglehold on the narrative and thus public perception.

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      You do realise it was Russia who’s been shelling the ZNPP, and it was the Ukrainian staff keeping the plant safe?

      So, No. Russia hasn’t asked for monitoring. It was the IAEE itself.

      " The ZNPP has been controlled by Russian forces since early March. Over the past seven months, its Ukrainian operating staff have worked to prevent a nuclear accident during the current military conflict, in extremely difficult conditions with frequent shelling at the plant or near it."

      Also the IAEE STILL hasn’t been granted full access by plant which has been under Russian military control.

      " The IAEA experts have requested additional access that is necessary to confirm the absence of mines or explosives. In particular, access to the rooftops of reactor units 3 and 4 is essential, as well as access to parts of the turbine halls and some parts of the cooling system at the plant."

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        It’s incredible that a grown ass adult could be so gullible as to genuinely believe that Russia has been shelling a power plant they control and have stationed troops at. Western propagandists really don’t have to work hard because it’s clear that the public lacks basic reasoning skills.

    • LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world
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      From your link:

      VIENNA, July 5 (Reuters) - Experts from the U.N. nuclear watchdog based at the Russian-held Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine have yet to observe any indications of mines or explosives at the plant, but they need more access to be sure

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    Imagine genuinely thinking that Russia blows up their own infrastructure for no reason. The fact that this is a serious topic of discussion in the west shows that any sort of critical thinking has been eradicated at this point.

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        Sure more than Ukraine who’ve been throwing theirs into minefields. If they didn’t value their soldiers they’d be doing what Ukraine is currently doing. Instead, they spent the time building defences and training their troops.

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    Russia has been making the same claims against Ukraine since at least november 2022 in front of the UN.

    Such an attack would benefit Ukraine since it’s more likely to cause NATO to get involved. Don’t forget that.

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      Lol. You honestly think NATO countries wouldn’t check the story before comitting to an open conflict they don’t want to be in? That the people in all of Europe wouldn’t want to know who actually blew up the plant and spewed radioactivity over their lands? That everyone’s just gonna be fine shelling out ANOTHER couple of billions to clean up Chernobyl 2.0?

      If this ever actually happens (Big IF) anyone who lies about it is gonna be completely fucked when the truth inevitably comes out.

      Noone benefits from this.

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    We need a more trustworthy source. After Zelensky destroyed his own dam I don’t believe a word he says.

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    Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war? This is another atrocity by the Ukrainian military to muddy the waters and try to attract yet more international support like the dam bombing.