What the fuck is this comment section?!
Russian copium brigade out for a special typing operation
"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said. It said the Ukrainian army stood “ready to act under any circumstances”.
In his nightly video message, Zelenskiy said Russia was planning to “simulate an attack” on the plant. “But in any case, the world sees – and cannot fail to see – that the only source of danger to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is Russia. And no one else.”
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions"
"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said.
Not gonna lie, that’s pretty smart. Now if Ukraine decides to start shelling the plant, they can just pretend that it’s actually Russia that detonated some charges.
I think that’s a pattern we’ll start seeing more and more.
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions
I’m starting to see a pattern here…
EDIT: i removed this comment previously because lemmy hiccuped and registered the one about bridge selling twice.
And despite it being empty, it still recieved 23 downvotes.
This is how factual discussion with liberals is.
So, you said something dumb, and it’s everyone else’s fault? 🤣
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions
Judging from the comments, he could probably finance that entire war just by selling bridges to liberals -_-
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These comments… I wasn’t expecting Lemmy to be russian bots just chatting with each other.
I mean, lemmy does have a sizable tankie population at lemmygrad
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? “Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can’t have it, better be dead too”?
“turns out the ukranians actually liked chernobyl, so much so that they’re probably planning on doing it again!”
How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame a completely baseless claim without any evidence and that make no sense, is that seriously the question you’re asking here?
The Russians are not making it easy for themselves, aren’t they?
Ah yeah, that totally looks like a reliable site that somebody without any brain damage would use as a source.
I don’t need more evidence that your problem is with reading comprehension. This isn’t a news source per se, this tells what the Russian state media reports about. It doesn’t take much effort to corroborate that:
https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-suicide-drone-attacks-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power/
Speaking about brain damage.
You haven’t collaborated anything, and the fact that you think that’s collaboration further underscores my point. How about we look at what IAEA, who actually have people on the ground, have to say
I think you should take a break, walk outside for a bit, and hop back with a clearer mind. Your are arguing about… I don’t know what about.
Fact: Russian newspapers are announcing that an attack by Ukraine on the ZNPP is imminent. It doesn’t matter whether you trust Ukraine’s account of it, because this is literally in the Russian newspapers: https://www.rt.com/russia/579215-ukrainian-attack-nuclear-plant/
My question is: (what THIS thread is about) from the viewpoint of a Russian propagandist, how can they make this story seem credible, (or, IOW, what would Ukraine’s motive be) considering that this would hurt Ukraine the most.
Next time you can use less of your condescending tone and more of your reading time to post on point.
I think you should take your own advice, also try working on your reading comprehension while you’re at it given that your link says Russia is worried that Ukraine would cause a provocation.
From a view point of a sane person who isn’t guzzling Ukrainian propaganda out of a firehouse, it’s pretty obvious that the Ukrainian offensive is a giant failure. Even western media now admits this. NATO summit is happening in a week, and Ukraine is desperate to get NATO involved directly in the conflict.
It’s also pretty clear that the puppet regime in Ukraine doesn’t care one bit about hurting their own country. If they did, they would’ve taken the peace agreement they were offered back in March.
Your guess is as good as mine. But if you have watched Russ TV, they aren’t afraid of saying the most ridiculous things.
Though according to the article: Renat Karchaa, an adviser to the head of Rosenergoatom, which operates Russia’s nuclear network, said Ukraine planned to drop ammunition laced with nuclear waste transported from another of the country’s five nuclear stations on the plant.
“Under cover of darkness overnight on 5 July the Ukrainian military will try to attack the Zaporizhzhia station using long-range precision equipment and kamikaze attack drones,” Russian news agencies quoted Karchaa as telling Russian television. He offered no evidence in support of the allegation."
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I’m guilty of this as well, but perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that people can have differing opinions and be vocal about them without being bots or trolls.
I’m sorry for having behaved rude just because some people have a different take on this war. I mean, unless they’re as obvious as the government sponsored bullshit on Twitter where 3 accounts write the same crap in the same thread. 🌚
I’m also in no way a Putin fan.
Budanov, Head of Ukrainian Intelligence, now reverses his stance and claims that the threat of “artificial catastrophe” at the ZNPP is “quietly decreasing”.
In other words, he called off the attack.
What changed?
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/921266-amp.html
June 21-30: Ukraine ramped up rhetoric that Russia had plans to sabotage ZNPP.
July 1-4: Massive external scraping on Twitter causing Elon to limit user views.
July 6: Ukraine claims threat of ZNPP sabotage is no more.
Maybe Western Intelligence were using AI to scrape social media to gauge public perception of the ZNPP/Ukraine, to see if the public were buying their Russian sabotage psyop.
What they found was that the public logically pieced together that Ukraine/Deep State are the ones who benefit from the potential sabotage, as their goal is to convince NATO to takeover the war and drag the US directly into conflict with Russia, because the counter-offensive was a catastrophe and the Ukrainian military failed.
Nobody was buying Zelensky’s claims. Even the IAEA went out of their way to tell us that these claims of Russian-planted explosives were unverified.
Maybe Western Intelligence saw that the public were not buying their psyop attempt, and AI judged that they couldn’t successfully pull it off because the data they scraped showed that the public were too keen to their plot. Thus Budanov claiming the threat has magically disappeared.
In other words, maybe public awareness might have just prevented Chernobyl 2.0.
Regardless of if this is what actually happened or not, one thing is for certain; citizen journalists are dominating in the Information War right now. We are taking Western propaganda and dismantling it in quick succession. The enemy have lost their stranglehold on the narrative and thus public perception.
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Has anyone seen the movie Universal Soldier?
Posts like this are useful as you can easily find trolls and bots to instantly block.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (UN nuclear watchdog) has been monitoring the ZNPP for months, at the request of Russia.
Today, they report there is no evidence of planted explosives at the ZNPP.
Essentially, the UN said Zelensky is full of shit.
You do realise it was Russia who’s been shelling the ZNPP, and it was the Ukrainian staff keeping the plant safe?
So, No. Russia hasn’t asked for monitoring. It was the IAEE itself.
" The ZNPP has been controlled by Russian forces since early March. Over the past seven months, its Ukrainian operating staff have worked to prevent a nuclear accident during the current military conflict, in extremely difficult conditions with frequent shelling at the plant or near it."
Also the IAEE STILL hasn’t been granted full access by plant which has been under Russian military control.
" The IAEA experts have requested additional access that is necessary to confirm the absence of mines or explosives. In particular, access to the rooftops of reactor units 3 and 4 is essential, as well as access to parts of the turbine halls and some parts of the cooling system at the plant."
It’s incredible that a grown ass adult could be so gullible as to genuinely believe that Russia has been shelling a power plant they control and have stationed troops at. Western propagandists really don’t have to work hard because it’s clear that the public lacks basic reasoning skills.
Hey now, let’s not let facts get in the way of a liberal circle jerk.
From your link:
VIENNA, July 5 (Reuters) - Experts from the U.N. nuclear watchdog based at the Russian-held Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine have yet to observe any indications of mines or explosives at the plant, but they need more access to be sure
Russo bot
Imagine genuinely thinking that Russia blows up their own infrastructure for no reason. The fact that this is a serious topic of discussion in the west shows that any sort of critical thinking has been eradicated at this point.
Yeah. They value their stuff so much. Particularly their own soldiers.
Sure more than Ukraine who’ve been throwing theirs into minefields. If they didn’t value their soldiers they’d be doing what Ukraine is currently doing. Instead, they spent the time building defences and training their troops.
Really? They also once had a hydroelectric dam. Just don’t post…
You mean the hydroelectric dam that even US admitted Ukraine was launching missiles against? Just don’t post…
All the hard work you put into spreading nonsense is wasted in Lemmy. There aren’t enough users to make it worthwhile. Then again, you’d be banned quickly somewhere like Reddit, so I guess it’s your only choice.
Watching empire shills trying to interact with people outside corporate walled gardens is pretty hilarious.
Are you watching me now, comrade? Prove it.
You’re not my comrade.
yeah sure.
NAFO trolls downvoting every voice critical of Ukraine, I see you.
Russia has been making the same claims against Ukraine since at least november 2022 in front of the UN.
Such an attack would benefit Ukraine since it’s more likely to cause NATO to get involved. Don’t forget that.
NATO benefits the most in not getting directly involved. Don’t forget that.
Lol. You honestly think NATO countries wouldn’t check the story before comitting to an open conflict they don’t want to be in? That the people in all of Europe wouldn’t want to know who actually blew up the plant and spewed radioactivity over their lands? That everyone’s just gonna be fine shelling out ANOTHER couple of billions to clean up Chernobyl 2.0?
If this ever actually happens (Big IF) anyone who lies about it is gonna be completely fucked when the truth inevitably comes out.
Noone benefits from this.
We need a more trustworthy source. After Zelensky destroyed his own dam I don’t believe a word he says.
Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war? This is another atrocity by the Ukrainian military to muddy the waters and try to attract yet more international support like the dam bombing.
Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war?
Right, but they are not, they are
barely holdinglosing ground.Imagine being so utterly misinformed to think that Russia is losing the war. Let’s just see what somebody who actually has a clue thinks https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine
