Would it be possible to lower barrier to entry that low?
To the point where installing some Linux distro would be as easy as installing a game on Steam or installing an application on a phone?
There is existing software for installing Linux from Windows.
For example, old WUBI for installing Ubuntu, and linixify-gui (fork of abandoned tunic) apparently does this as well.
So question is, should there be some effort put into making a modern installer of this kind? Something that even the person with the smoothest brain can use to get Linux on their PC?
Are there any existing projects that try to make this happen?
I have a hard time imagining a less rewarding user-facing software to be maintainer of. That’s probably why there isn’t one.
Thousands of hours and being blamed for dozens of people softbricking their PCs (which they now probably lack the USB route to recover from) - all because writing an ISO to USB and rebooting is too much friction?
You mean something like Operese ?
I heard that one is pretty recent.
there is and i also think there should be.
but i would never use one or recommend doing so.
I feel like this may backfire, because people may accidentally replace their OS, get really pissed off, and start talking about how installing Linux is really dangerous and might wipe all your data, etc.
I don’t even think it could work. NT will bsod if the os drive disappears, so unless you install on a different drive or partition, the OS will die.
You could just have a UI that runs you through all the questions and prompts from Windows and then reboots and installs a new OS without any other interaction.
You could even have it ask which files/folders the user wants to transfer over so they don’t lose everything.
You can do that without Windows. What is the benefit?
It’s trivial to make a USB bootable installer.
Nope. The installation menu is more complicated. We used to do it from Windows back in the day no problem.
Yes, this is something that should be taken into account when designing this software.
Set dual-boot as a default / design UI in a way that offers dual-boot as a preferred option.
And many other technical issues will probably appear that will have to be figured out.
But I think that at least even thinking about this is a good start.
Also, this reminds me of 2013, when people accidentally nuked their Windows installs with Linux because they wanted to get the Tux in Team Fortress 2 (Valve gave it to people who played Linux version of TF2).There are reasons this hasn’t been done before.
There are a lot of things you’re not considering. You’d need to potentially re-partition a live mounted window disk(s) to create space for a Linux partition which could fail spectacularly. Or install over a running Windows system which will also fail very quickly.
Also - there are many tools that make it easy to create a live USB drive that one can boot from to get a taste of Linux in a way that is non-destructive and optionally install Linux.
We used to do this all the time.
Do what?
Hmmm yeah I wasn’t thinking about a dual boot default. That could maybe work 🤔
This is how we did it before MS enshittified the boot loaders.
I find that live USB drives, like the Linux Mint installer are a fantastic way to show potential converts around. If they like it, all they had to do is click install.
Back in the days of CD Drives you just inserted the linux disk from a magazine or from a bestbuy that sold OpenSUSE and did a restart and it booted from CD ready to install, just like you’d install a game.
USB stick is just as simple but people don’t know the process to make the stick or boot and hit the f key that gives them temp boot device options so it is a “harder” process
There does exist a tool that does it. The creator posted about it on the fediverse. It only supported ubuntu at the time but looked extremely promising.
I cannot remember it’s name. :/
Maybe it’s linixify? But I remember seeing a post on lemmy with a youtube demo?
I can swear Ubuntu was able to just do this out of the box years ago, as long as you were okay with the Ubuntu partition being FAT32…
Anyone that cannot figure out how to install linux probably shouldn’t be fucking with their operating system in the first place.
You can also just buy a live USB distro and install by doing nothing more than turning off your computer and turning it on again, which is even easier than installing a program in windows.
Furthermore, there is a very real argument to be made that you should NOT be able to nuke an operating system from within itself. Windows devs would be pretty reasonable to define any program able to easily do that as being malware.
Rest assured, microslop will find a way to break it.
It used to be that way and they blocked it probably over a decade ago. Like, you could check your drives folder in Windows and have a live Linux CD in in D Drive, click in it and a Linux installation process would start.
I have seen distros that offer methods for installing Linux directly from Windows but I wouldn’t use them. Live CDs are a good way to test if that distro, or even Linux in general, will work properly on that computer. For example, if you installed Linux on a computer with a WiFi adapter that Linux doesn’t currently support, you wouldn’t have known this if you just installed Linux directly from Windows without testing it first and there is no simple solution to this problem.
Now, if you could install Linux onto an external hard drive from Windows, then this might be fine because you’d have a dual boot between the two OSs and can easily fallback to Windows if Linux doesn’t work properly. However, as far as I’m aware, you’d still need to boot into the bios and change the boot loader so that Linux can actually boot.
I may be misunderstanding your post but is WSL not what you’re looking for? It’s quite simple to install and setup. It’s Linux inside Windows.
Yes, and so is a virtual machine. I’m thinking install Linux to disk so that it can then run directly on hardware.
we had it back in the day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZipSlack
Your options to try out Linux without disrupting your Windows experience are:
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WSL, which is using a Linux kernel that is running in a VM (WSL 2). This will let you run some Linux applications on Windows.
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Live Disk, This gives you a full Linux environment but may lack persistence (your settings are loss on reboot) and performance issues (using a USB drive as a system drive is slow).
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Linux on a VM, This gives you a full Linux environment with persistence and good performance but you won’t have access to your hardware, like your graphics card, to do things like gaming (You maybe able to use passthrough, I haven’t used Windows VM software in quite a while).
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Dual Boot, The full Linux experience. Requires another hard drive or a willingness to resize your partitions (which could* destroy your Windows install).
The installation step is trivialized on some distros, just a simple series of dialog boxes. Like installing Windows was in the 00’s before you had to watch streaming ads and give it access to your medical records while creating your OneMicrosoft Online Co-365-Pilot Teams Drive Pro account.
*I have literally never had a single problem resizing partitions in 20 years of doing this, but it is technically possible if you lose power or are really unlucky with the cosmic ray lottery.
e: To your question directly: As long as you’re not trying to mess with Window’s system partition you should technically be able to resize/create partitions, create a new file system, copy files, and add a boot entry from inside of Windows. Ubuntu was the last big project to have a sustained effort to attract new users, WUBI was a big part of that project. Now, there just isn’t as much interest.
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This might not be feasible. IDK how you could install a whole OS, inside of another, without looking like a serious virus or malware. There are many files that cannot be changed while Windows is running (why it needs to reboot so often for updates). And no sane OS is going to let a program edit things like the MBR.
