‘Number of our deserters is too high’: Ukrainians flee fight against Russia

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      “Anyone who disagrees with what the state department says isn’t a real person”

      You guys are in for a very rude awakening

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          “No u”

          Okay so quit repeating state department thought-terminating cliches about the inhumanity of anyone who disagrees with you. At this point you all do it, you all get so defensive, and it’s fuckin embarassing. Grow up and have an uncomfortable conversation like an adult.

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              “People who don’t support Ukraine (or simply acknowledge that they’re losing) are just Russian bots”

              I’ll wait.

              Cringe reddit behavior

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                No, I called them a bot because they’re spouting shit that doesn’t make sense if you read literally anything about it and only reply monosyllabic when pushed to explain themselves.

                Though I do enjoy that you’re upset I would call someone acting like a bot a bot but you have no issue calling me a state department shill simply because you disagree with me. It’s very consistent and logical behavior that doesn’t at all make you a hypocrite and likely idiot.

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                  That’s a lot of words for "I have destroyed my own theory of mind with an all-consuming internet solipsism and am hellbent on making it everyone else’s problem."👍

                  state department shill

                  Shills are paid, you’re just a useful idiot

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                    Helpful non answer. Explain your argument, I’m betting you can’t but I’m also willing to be wrong. To be honest I don’t think you have a point but sure let’s hear how a conscripted military service isn’t relying mainly on conscripts.

                    Lol yes, because I have eyes and can read and I happen to disagree with you I’m a useful idiot. Prove me wrong then bud, you can’t but the contortions you attempt aught to be enjoyable to watch.

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          You’re both idiots arguing on the fucking Internet jfc. Step back and look at that exchange, the both of you.

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              Yes “facts” presented without source and as an unnamed editorial from a biased source.

              Where are you getting this nonsense “most Russian soldiers are volunteers nonsense” given the fact traditionally and currently military service is mandatory and has been officially since like 1986 or so.

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                Where are you getting this nonsense “most Russian soldiers are volunteers nonsense”

                Putin has refused to send conscripts to the frontlines since Second Chechnya.

                This has remained the case with even the Ukrainians admitting that the Russians generally rely on volunteers and have refused to send conscripts into Ukraine.

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                  So a single editorial video from 8 years ago and a single editorial neither with any sort of source and the second straight up being opinion?

                  So you have an actual source with first hand knowledge that can speak against Russian drafting and notably the increase in drafting since they decided to invade a sovereign nation?

                  Also the kyiv independent is… He’s me out here. Independent the Ukrainian stance officially is that they are in large part conscripts.

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                    Can you prove that conscripts are generally being used in Ukraine?

                    There are some cases where conscripts are used, where they signed combat contracts either voluntarily or without knowing what they signed or during the Kursk incursion. But these are exceptions, not the rule.

                    In 2022, there were some cases of conscripts being inadvertently or illegally deployed to Ukraine. However, when this was found out, they were withdrawn and returned to Russia. The commanding officers responsible for the deployments were punished.