Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot of bullshit with MS’s push for this shit, but I really don’t agree with the collective freakout about it.
There’s plenty of options. Many desktop mobos and CPUs support TPM2 through bios or firmware updates. Other desktop mobos have TPM headers and the modules go for $12-$30, but you have to track down the specific module compatible with your mobo as there is no standard pinout, even within the same manufacturer. There’s also one PCIE TPM2 card I found, but it’s from a company I don’t recognize and their site has no purchase button, just “contact us”, so that doesnct check out as legit to me.
Lastly, TPM2 has been a standard since 2015, with most manufacturers including it starting in 2016. At some point you have to accept that certain experiences will be unavailable to you without upgraded hardware. 10 years out of a computer before you start hitting hard limitations like this is a fucking great amount of life out of it. Like has always been the case, once it hits a certain age you either accept the lack of support or start going down the technical path with Linux to extend the life further.
start going down the technical path with Linux to extend the life further.
linux won’t fix this kind of shit, because this is about an arbitrary limitation of wanting to lock the owner out of their own system. these malware companies won’t ever recognize a free linux setup as “verified”
It’s more unusual than anything. TPM2 and Secure boot are requirements I would expect from a security compliance checklist and software handling at least somewhat valuable data, like maybe a password vault.
A steam game is the last place I would expect this.
Once you delve into the technical specifics of Secure Boot and the TPM, it’s actually not that unusual. I wrote more detail in another comment on this post, but the TLDR of it is that Secure Boot is meant to enforce the integrity of the boot procedure to ensure that only approved code runs before the Windows kernel gets control, and the TPM 2.0 is meant to attest to that. Together, they make it possible for anticheat to tell if something (like cheating software) tried to rootkit Windows as a way to evade detection.
I don’t agree with the requirement, but it’s not a pointless requirement or some grand conspiracy to make people buy new hardware.
its like you are intentionally trying to misunderstand what they are saying, good work at it. Obviously, they didn’t deem SB and TPM unusual, but the types of software (entertainment industry products) demanding it while the software of the security industry does not.
but it’s not a pointless requirement or some grand conspiracy to make people buy new hardware.
consumers won’t benefit from this functionality, but many industries will in the foreseeable future
right, you can look at it that way too. but what the consumers see (and feel) is that the game tells what kind of software you can have, even when that is not related to the game. and that’s what’s not usual.
this is less obvious on windows, because it’s not that common to be modified by users in a way that matters here, as the checks are kind of loose, but on android it’s quite different, and windows is likely to get the same treatment, which is the reason why valve is pouring so much money into linux
Erm, just for the record, the BIOS toggle does nothing to close the backdoor implanted in your system by the NSA and Intel. Would you like scientific papers on this topic?
This probably isn’t the best place to share the fact I learned earlier this week, but did you know that Brazil received almost half of all slaves in the Transatlantic slave trade? Kinda blew my mind. I only ask because of your meme. From Wiki:
Out of the 12 million Africans who were forcibly brought to the New World, approximately 5.5 million were brought to Brazil between 1540 and the 1860s.
The fact you’re getting downvoted is absurd. Mfs really want to play a MODERN TRIPLE A game like Battlefield 6 or Black Ops 7 with hardware from 2014!! You can literally go on used marketplaces and get stuff from like 2018-2019 that would run those games well enough! Hell, I’m pretty damn poor and I live in a country with terrible electronics taxes, and I still managed to get myself upgraded to semi-modern hardware by buying used, or in case of stuff like RAM, getting kits from AliExpress. I have a Ryzen 7 5800X, 32 GBs of RAM that I got from Ali, and a RX 6700 XT, and I see no reason to upgrade it in the next 5 years or so even tho the GPU is like 3 years old!
Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot of bullshit with MS’s push for this shit, but I really don’t agree with the collective freakout about it.
There’s plenty of options. Many desktop mobos and CPUs support TPM2 through bios or firmware updates. Other desktop mobos have TPM headers and the modules go for $12-$30, but you have to track down the specific module compatible with your mobo as there is no standard pinout, even within the same manufacturer. There’s also one PCIE TPM2 card I found, but it’s from a company I don’t recognize and their site has no purchase button, just “contact us”, so that doesnct check out as legit to me.
Lastly, TPM2 has been a standard since 2015, with most manufacturers including it starting in 2016. At some point you have to accept that certain experiences will be unavailable to you without upgraded hardware. 10 years out of a computer before you start hitting hard limitations like this is a fucking great amount of life out of it. Like has always been the case, once it hits a certain age you either accept the lack of support or start going down the technical path with Linux to extend the life further.
linux won’t fix this kind of shit, because this is about an arbitrary limitation of wanting to lock the owner out of their own system. these malware companies won’t ever recognize a free linux setup as “verified”
It’s more unusual than anything. TPM2 and Secure boot are requirements I would expect from a security compliance checklist and software handling at least somewhat valuable data, like maybe a password vault.
A steam game is the last place I would expect this.
Once you delve into the technical specifics of Secure Boot and the TPM, it’s actually not that unusual. I wrote more detail in another comment on this post, but the TLDR of it is that Secure Boot is meant to enforce the integrity of the boot procedure to ensure that only approved code runs before the Windows kernel gets control, and the TPM 2.0 is meant to attest to that. Together, they make it possible for anticheat to tell if something (like cheating software) tried to rootkit Windows as a way to evade detection.
I don’t agree with the requirement, but it’s not a pointless requirement or some grand conspiracy to make people buy new hardware.
its like you are intentionally trying to misunderstand what they are saying, good work at it. Obviously, they didn’t deem SB and TPM unusual, but the types of software (entertainment industry products) demanding it while the software of the security industry does not.
consumers won’t benefit from this functionality, but many industries will in the foreseeable future
You quoted the end of my comment, so you must have read this part:
For the threat model of anticheat software, verifying system integrity is not an unusual requirement.
right, you can look at it that way too. but what the consumers see (and feel) is that the game tells what kind of software you can have, even when that is not related to the game. and that’s what’s not usual.
this is less obvious on windows, because it’s not that common to be modified by users in a way that matters here, as the checks are kind of loose, but on android it’s quite different, and windows is likely to get the same treatment, which is the reason why valve is pouring so much money into linux
Especially unusual bc there are kernel level anticheats that work just fine without it
It is for the anti-cheat, it seems, and for the case of BO7 it seems to actually have worked this time. I haven’t seen a hacker at all.
I haven’t either! Because I won’t willingly install a rootkit on my computer or play a game that requires malware…
“There are alternatives! You don’t *have to* own slaves, it’s just an option!”
You’re literally fucking comparing slavery to toggling two fucking things on the BIOS? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Nah fuck that, you gotta go.
Erm, just for the record, the BIOS toggle does nothing to close the backdoor implanted in your system by the NSA and Intel. Would you like scientific papers on this topic?
This probably isn’t the best place to share the fact I learned earlier this week, but did you know that Brazil received almost half of all slaves in the Transatlantic slave trade? Kinda blew my mind. I only ask because of your meme. From Wiki:
I’ve seen this shit reposted everywhere lately, and it feels like a fucking psyop too. Manufacturing some sort of consent.
The fact you’re getting downvoted is absurd. Mfs really want to play a MODERN TRIPLE A game like Battlefield 6 or Black Ops 7 with hardware from 2014!! You can literally go on used marketplaces and get stuff from like 2018-2019 that would run those games well enough! Hell, I’m pretty damn poor and I live in a country with terrible electronics taxes, and I still managed to get myself upgraded to semi-modern hardware by buying used, or in case of stuff like RAM, getting kits from AliExpress. I have a Ryzen 7 5800X, 32 GBs of RAM that I got from Ali, and a RX 6700 XT, and I see no reason to upgrade it in the next 5 years or so even tho the GPU is like 3 years old!
We want to do it without providing a fucking urine sample ok
Two toggles on the BIOS that are literally hash checks are an urine sample now? Wow.
rofl you think a newer system is actually necessary? What a cucky bitchboi opinion…