If the same thing is 10 times cheaper i would argue that the quality is not comparable. USA alone outpower any other country in war capacity and assets, if you add the the rest of NATO countries it sound like a joke to claim russia could match them.
Russia produces 4x the amount of artillery shells as all of NATO. SU 35 is half the cost of F35, with better flight availability. Missile technology of Russia is far (at least 5 years) ahead of US. Drone technology is Russia, China, Ukraine only capable. Nuclear powered torpedo is undetected annihilation of any carrier fleet or port in the world. US military spending is just corruption for political cronies. Incompetent pursuit of higher tech they are incapable of implementing, but get paid for anyway.
Russia produces 4x the amount of artillery shells as all of NATO
Whatever USA is producing is 4x times more advanced than that.
SU 35 is half the cost of F35, with better flight availability.
Assuming we take for granted that a fourth generation plane is better than F35s, keep in mind that USA alone has more than 500 of these and hundreds of F22
Missile technology of Russia is far (at least 5 years) ahead of US
Russia technology is overall 10 years behind of US
Drone technology is Russia, China, Ukraine only capable.
USA started using military drones more than 20 years ago.
US military spending is just corruption for political cronies.
I’m sure there’s plenty of corruption and any cent spent on military and war is useless. by not acknowledging USA war assets i think you are downplaying how trillions of public money are being wasted.
You’re confusing the monetary price with actual, qualitative results. The same widget costs more money to produce in the US than it would in Russia, Russia has lower labor costs and higher industrialization. There’s also effectiveness, drones are cheap and can often achieve the same or better results than traditional ballistic missiles that cost more. The fact that the west spends a lot is due to the millitary industrial complex. To equate capital investment across different economies is an error, you can find the same medicine in the US for hundreds of times the price as you can in Canada, as an alternative example.
Why do you think it cost 10 times more to produce it in the USA? How many american and european engineers do you know that works in russia for 10x cheaper salary?
Assuming what you say is true should we move to compare war assets? What’s the russian counterpart to hundreds of F22 and the b2?
There’s also effectiveness, drones are cheap and can often achieve the same or better results than traditional ballistic missiles that cost more.
USA has been using military drones for more than two decades
you can find the same medicine in the US for hundreds of times the price as you can in Canada, as an alternative example.
You are messing up things. That’s the price the consumer pays for medicines because of a monopoly
Cost of living is higher in the US, ergo wages are higher, ergo production costs more. This is true across all fields, plus the lack of industrialization means it’s more difficult to manufacture. Why are all of your goods made in China, Vietnam, etc?
Privatized industry also costs a lot more, especially the millitary industrial complex. I’m aware that the US has drones, I’m also aware that the drones of today are entirely different and far cheaper to produce.
Technological and industrial level is also higher in the US, expect a military widget manufactured there to be more advanced than one manufactured in a country where production is 10x cheaper.
This is true across all fields, plus the lack of industrialization means it’s more difficult to manufacture.
USA and europe do not lack industrialization.
Why are all of your goods made in China, Vietnam, etc?
Why are they not made in russia? They are made in china because it’s cheaper for western companies to produce there and because they can get away with such exploitation. Your goods aren’t military assets.
Industrial level is lower in the US. Cost of living is inflated because it’s an imperialist country, and siphons vast sums of wealth to the imperial core. The US and Europe have hollowed out their productive capacity and shifted it all overseas. Goods are made in China for cheaper because industrialization is higher, as is productive capacity. Russia is heavily sanctioned, and largely produces for itself.
Spending 10 times as much does not mean you are getting 10 times as much out of it.
Chinese industry is some of the most advanced on the planet. I use US as an example, because industrial output is lower. Your list is measured in terms of dollars, not actual goods and output.
If the same thing is 10 times cheaper i would argue that the quality is not comparable. USA alone outpower any other country in war capacity and assets, if you add the the rest of NATO countries it sound like a joke to claim russia could match them.
Russia produces 4x the amount of artillery shells as all of NATO. SU 35 is half the cost of F35, with better flight availability. Missile technology of Russia is far (at least 5 years) ahead of US. Drone technology is Russia, China, Ukraine only capable. Nuclear powered torpedo is undetected annihilation of any carrier fleet or port in the world. US military spending is just corruption for political cronies. Incompetent pursuit of higher tech they are incapable of implementing, but get paid for anyway.
Whatever USA is producing is 4x times more advanced than that.
Assuming we take for granted that a fourth generation plane is better than F35s, keep in mind that USA alone has more than 500 of these and hundreds of F22
Russia technology is overall 10 years behind of US
USA started using military drones more than 20 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perdix_(drone)
I’m sure there’s plenty of corruption and any cent spent on military and war is useless. by not acknowledging USA war assets i think you are downplaying how trillions of public money are being wasted.
They’re artillery shells.
Way ahead in missiles. Hypersonics the US has failed at. new 14000km 15 hour range nuclear cruise missile. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/russia-tested-new-nuclear-powered-cruise-missile-top-general-says-2025-10-26/
US still has crap that Ukraine has no use for. New generations test poorly.
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You’re confusing the monetary price with actual, qualitative results. The same widget costs more money to produce in the US than it would in Russia, Russia has lower labor costs and higher industrialization. There’s also effectiveness, drones are cheap and can often achieve the same or better results than traditional ballistic missiles that cost more. The fact that the west spends a lot is due to the millitary industrial complex. To equate capital investment across different economies is an error, you can find the same medicine in the US for hundreds of times the price as you can in Canada, as an alternative example.
Why do you think it cost 10 times more to produce it in the USA? How many american and european engineers do you know that works in russia for 10x cheaper salary?
Assuming what you say is true should we move to compare war assets? What’s the russian counterpart to hundreds of F22 and the b2?
USA has been using military drones for more than two decades
You are messing up things. That’s the price the consumer pays for medicines because of a monopoly
Cost of living is higher in the US, ergo wages are higher, ergo production costs more. This is true across all fields, plus the lack of industrialization means it’s more difficult to manufacture. Why are all of your goods made in China, Vietnam, etc?
Privatized industry also costs a lot more, especially the millitary industrial complex. I’m aware that the US has drones, I’m also aware that the drones of today are entirely different and far cheaper to produce.
Technological and industrial level is also higher in the US, expect a military widget manufactured there to be more advanced than one manufactured in a country where production is 10x cheaper.
USA and europe do not lack industrialization.
Why are they not made in russia? They are made in china because it’s cheaper for western companies to produce there and because they can get away with such exploitation. Your goods aren’t military assets.
Industrial level is lower in the US. Cost of living is inflated because it’s an imperialist country, and siphons vast sums of wealth to the imperial core. The US and Europe have hollowed out their productive capacity and shifted it all overseas. Goods are made in China for cheaper because industrialization is higher, as is productive capacity. Russia is heavily sanctioned, and largely produces for itself.
Spending 10 times as much does not mean you are getting 10 times as much out of it.
We are comparing NATO to russia. I’m talking about US because alone it overpower russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing#List_of_countries_by_manufacturing_output
Keep in mind that while chinese industry produces a lot it is not necessarily the most advanced.
Chinese industry is some of the most advanced on the planet. I use US as an example, because industrial output is lower. Your list is measured in terms of dollars, not actual goods and output.
Yes next to america and europe. Your original claim i’m reply to is that “NATO can’t field an actual war against Russia”.
If you want we can compare NATO and russia/china combined and see who has the strongest army and biggest war capabilities.
Do you know about that thing called capitalism, where the engineers’ wages get stolen by the bourgies?