• Maeve@kbin.earth
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    There are ethnic and religious Jewish people, to my best understanding.

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      And what “ethnicity” is that supposed to be? “White” Jews are for the most part ethnically and largely also genetically indistingishable from central Europeans.

      US Americans have a strange obsession with “race”, and Zionists played right into that by establishing the false idea that Jewishness is a race or ethnicity.

      In Europe this is a very uncommon view by the way, and most people consider Jewishness a purely religious description and the last people that tried to make it an ethnic description were literal Nazis.

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        There are plenty of Jewish people who consider “Jewish” as being both a religious and ethnic identifier. I used to think of Jewishness as purely a religious description until I actually met some Jews (I moved from a tiny village to a larger town that had a decently sized Jewish community, and one of my close friends was Jewish), who disagreed with my impression. For additional context, I live in the UK, so your blanket statement about Europe does not apply to the level that you state it.

        “the last people that tried to make it an ethnic description were literal Nazis.”

        Given that there are many Jews who recognise “Jewishness” as pertaining to both religion and to ethnicity, in the present day, it seems quite inappropriate to make this comparison. I realise that you’re seeking to denounce Israel’s ethnonationalism, but it’s possible to criticise Zionism without having to deny the existence of Jewish ethnic groups. Hell, one of the things I found especially powerful about my local pro-Palestine demonstrations was seeing how much I learned about Judaism by working alongside secular Jews and religious Jews brought together by anti-Zionism.

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        Funnily enough, middle Eastern Jews have DNA almost identical to Palestinians, Ashkenazi have European DNA.

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          Indeed. And there are many other distict groups that are Jewish, such as those from Ethiopia and Marroco, that claim some historical relationship to Israel but are otherwise genetically and ethnically entirely different. The only real commonality is their religion and some closely related cultural practises.

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            It’s ironic that nowadays, certain semitic people’s semitism has been erased so that noticing their genocide is now called antisemitic.