Lmao, you typed this still, why are you trying to talk to me?

Oh, I just realized you are referring to my calling liberals fascists and not when I call “socialists” liberals. Oh boy, wait 'till you learn about liberalism.

See, this is how you stop someone from talkin to you dummy: blocked.

Some were people who grew up in former Soviet states where simplified versions of socialist writing in the nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries were taught and they focused more heavily on the political structure of the communist state rather than the relationality and philosophical underpinnings of Marxism and socialism; structuralist and postmodern ideas didn’t even seem to factor in.

It’s true though, there has been a very intentional effort among liberals to appropriate socialist and communist ideas into their rhetoric as they have feminist, queer, and African American theory under neoliberalism. I’ve had classes where I have to explain what “liberal” means because it’s pretty much assumed it’s going to be heard the same as “progressive,” which has also been deprived of meaning but over a much longer period of time. Euros are the same though, and on Lemmy especially since it’s a bit more distributed among American and European users for a bunch of reasons. You see it on other platforms, but on here there’s so many Europeans who straight up think they’re altruistic socialists but presume everyone else agrees that colonialism is over and Europe is reformed (corporations and international law is what isn’t colonialism apparently btw, lol)

Liberalism is exceptional at appropriation because it has emerged over centuries of EuroAmerican imperialism and settler-colonialism, its main purpose is to steal.

For the joke, yes. But, also because I’m curious if you have a real critique besides “stinky and mean to me,” as I genuinely don’t have experience with that community, but have ran into a lot of uncritical “socialists” on fediverse stuff in general.

Another funny thing here is you’ve done a lot of stuff that I don’t think you realize is telling of liberal thought, the infantalization is another big one, but you’ve hit almost everything. If your next comment is something about trans women, think we got a full row.

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I don’t think it’s helpful to construct liberals as ignorant in the same way a child is. It is an uncritical and harmful way to think, but children can’t understand what genocide is because they haven’t lived long enough and do not know enough about the world, adults differ in that it is a choice to remain ignorant or to not change in response to knowledge.

There’s a special kind of malice that comes from truly knowing you’re wrong but do not care to learn better; not because they can’t, but because it is inconvenient.

Are you a liberal?

I think you’re underestimating how much of a problem liberal states are in their use of soft power. I don’t doubt that most Linux users and devs would resist, I’m saying that it would definitely be a threat for liberal states to dedicate resources to influencing norms and access. They don’t need to “win” as in complete and utter domination of every aspect of development for Linux to have a massive and negative effect. Think about how much more labour the US state has at is disposal than the entirety of the Linux community; how much more resources it has that could be dedicated to the privileging of projects that do comply.

Yes, how to resist is certainly important to consider, but there’s no way to design that resistance if you ignore the tools at their disposal. Look at how big Zorin got from just a timely marketing campaign or the fact that corporate- and enterprise-oriented revenue models are already deeply influential on the landscape even without state promotion.

Oh, no it wouldnt be like “we’re mandating this through legislation,” because that is typically really hard to defend. They’re more likely to simply provide subsidies or some sort of financial benefit to larger, more compliant entities.

This is a very importrant thing to keep in mind. Liberalism is exceptional at appropriation and assimilation, and there is already a tremendous amount of corporate influence on the trajectory of Linux development. Since the open source nature of Linux is fairly robust, this would mean that control would look a lot like accessibility and feature competition (think how Android has effectively muscled out alternative ‘open source’ mobile OS’s and functions as one of the most expansive data collection systems in the world). It likely would not be as immediate as this suggests, for exactly the same reason Linux is so preferable to proprietary operating systems, but examples like Zorin’s successful marketing campaign and paid services do point to a trajectory of corporatization separate from what exists in Redhat and Ubuntu.

As liberal states seek more power over information and computing, they will direct regulations into favourable conditions for capitalization, as they always do, and will reward corporations that comply. The big threat is the amount of resources that private capital wields with state support and how this may pressure independent developers to comply as well.