The maintainer you and said that they tirelessly tested, reviewed and verified changes over the course of 3 weeks to make sure that things were running and operating correctly.

This is how it should be done. It’s not like they’re vibe coding this.

Pretty much.

I’ve started using AI on a project last week and the first thing I do is write tests. Lots of tests.

With enough guardrails, you could actually get pretty decent quality output out of it and with enough regression tests, you can ensure that nothing’s actually breaking.

Similarly, reviewing its changes and actually reading the code that’s being generated to ensure correctness is necessary. However, I am finding ways to automate that and reduce the incident rate of problems to even lower than my co-workers.

Dude, my team members put out code that’s like this or worse on a regular basis that gets caught in PR review without using AI tooling…

I’ve supported legacy projects that of course were built without tooling that didn’t exist. That are structured and written in ways that are far far worse than this.

Nothing here screams vibe coated.

Completely agree. If this is a skilled Dev who’s built products like this before and you can build something like this in your afternoons and weekends in like 6 months without LLM tool assistance.

With basic assistance you can definitely cut that time down to 4 months or less easily.

And if this is a full-time project, you can probably get it out the door in 1 to 2 months with llm assistance. (Not vibe coding, two very different things)

I’ve built projects of the size in 5-7 months before we had LLM or ML coding tools.

With tabbed completion (Which most devs enjoy), and before full LLM code gen, 4-6 months.

With llm assistance, not vibe coding, it’s possible to build projects like this in 1 to 2 months without sacrificing quality or safety. If you are an experienced engineer and have built projects like this before. A lot of these are boring, boilerplate, stuff.

So the time spent doesn’t necessarily say that it’s vibe coded but if this is an inexperienced engineer then it very well might be and may be full of holes and issues.

Yeah, it should inflate to 15TB or more I think

It’s literally says in the link.

Really with they would take security vulnerabilities seriously 😞

Because they are significant, and broad reaching.

Edit: I forgot this was self-hosted community, disregard.

How does organization work out?

We have dozens of workflows for our monorepo CI/CD stuff. GitHub organization with the flat structure is incredibly annoying.

GitLab is a single file?? (Or am I misinformed? )How does that work out?

A lot of that pain can be reduced by writing and running your code locally before pushing it to a CI environment. Generally with our automation we write a CLI, And GitHub actions is just an execution environment that calls the CLI.

And if what you’re trying to do must execute inside an action. You can run workflows locally with docker!

GitHub Actions mostly.

The rest is usually plumbing and code to support it. The actions are just the automated execution environment.

I disagree.

I don’t necessarily know about new music, artists, or genres. I want to get a mixture of stuff I haven’t encountered.

Something like 60% of the music I listen to in a given month I had never heard of 12 months prior. I’ve found so much music that I vibe with by way of generated playlists.

Discovering something new that scratches my music itch is in itself a pleasure for me, and I can go back to it at a later date, like everything else.

This doesn’t mean I support Spotify, but it does mean I disagree with your stance.

Not a single one of the robot vacuums that I’ve bought in the last 2 years seem to be able to function without internet access.

It’s asinine.

Also they break down so freaking fast. It’s not even funny. Even worse when the part that’s broken is non-replaceable and it’s like a $3 part.

Does it support multi-tenancy?

For instance, being a backup and media manager solution for multiple people in my family hosted on one server.

The same with a few friends that want to get out from under Google’s thumb.

I mean, yeah, probably all of these things.

Yeah, and for every dozen hours spent on building a “shitty discord” that’s a dozen hours not spent building the game.

And then there’s the high friction. Now people need to sign up for your special website, sign up for your special chat, add another app to their phone if you even provide one…etc When 9/10 of those same people already have a Discord account and are already active on Discord.

You don’t appear to understand what friction means. Because using an established platform that the majority of your community already uses isn’t high friction…

It doesn’t matter what the platform is. You bring yourself to the platform your users use. It just so happens that at this point in time it is Discord and this wasn’t always the case and it won’t always be the case.

You keep talking about how you don’t want to join to find out information how you don’t want to chat about the game.

Okay. That’s fine, that’s your choice, Why are you trying to shove your choice down other people’s throat then, you don’t have to join, you don’t have to talk about the game. It’s not required.

Yep, it’s a practical choice that improves the quality of their work and their community engagement by promoting rapid feedback cycles.

BTW how’d you stumble upon the Indi game?

The thing that I suck at the most is advertised out what I’m making, and it’s hurt me, a lot…

1000000%

It is literally the worst forum platform in existence. For q&A and support, it’s effectively a black hole for information and not only that, it’s a black hole for effort since people will just ask the same bloody questions day in and day out as the information already on Discord becomes unavailable over time

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However, It becomes difficult when you use Discord as a place for your community to chat and to talk with and get feedback from highly engaged players or community members who have things to say about your game and want to talk with each other about the game. You could say that any old form will do here. However, you go to where your community is, you don’t make your community come to you. That only works if you are a bombshell of a title, otherwise, your bounce rate for community members joining and talking and engaging is going to be incredibly high which reduces the chances of your game becoming successful.

You’re talking about a place for suggestions and help which can be driven to something like discourse. Which is a platform specifically made for q&A. But it is not well suited for the type of interaction you would expect in a Discord server. It’s not providing the controls and integration that Discord provides, nor is it providing voice chat capabilities and cross interaction.

Discord as much as we all hate it. For the enshitification. is a well-established high population low friction platform for community engagement.

And one of the number one rules when it comes to community engagement is that you go to where your community has the least amount of friction. They don’t come to you.

If that was a community that preferentially used IRC then the developer should preferentially use IRC. Unfortunately, target gaming audiences preferentially use Discord and are already familiar with the platform. Anything else is adding friction that reduces community growth.

These are the facts of the matter. I’m not saying these in support of Discord. It’s kind of a shitty situation

Eh, it’s entirely logical.

Let me explain:

• The area that most indi developers underperform at is… Marketing. Many of them put their heart and soul into a game and then completely fail to gather a community or audience that is interested in such a game.
• so what is one of the easiest ways that a developer who has effectively no social media skills can gather a community of interested individuals to talk about provide feedback and announce changes to?
• most of the target audiences for most games are going to be on social media
• You expect to chat with your community and so do your users that care
• Discord is a well-established platform, with a large ecosystem and many integrations meant to target games
• The developer chooses Discord as it is effectively the best option for their situation and available resources

This makes perfect sense. I don’t see why you should be outraged about something of this sort.

That said:

If you don’t want to join the Discord, you don’t have to.