They can crash more frequently.
Where are your stats for this.
and the reason mint stays on x11 has NOTHING to do with this
source?
stable distros have worse support out of the box because they use an older kernel version and the kernel ships the drivers.
At this point I don’t even know what that means because maybe you have some other weird definition to pull out of your ass. Give me that in 5th grader level.
Mint focuses on
stabilityreliability as evident from its decision to use Ubuntu LTS versions as it’s base. In case I need to spell it out, LTS versions are generally more reliable.And you brought up X11 as a negative, but there’s a good reason Mint is staying on X11. Yes, Wayland is the future and eventually Mint will adopt Wayland as well, when Wayland becomes more
stablereliable. I’m the mean time Mint stays on X11 because X11 is verystablereliable, extremelystablereliable compared to Wayland if you have an Nvidia card.Mint also has better out the box support. For example to my knowledge for Nvidia Fedora comes with Nouvuea drivers which means for gaming you need to go through an extra process to get proprietary drivers. Mint has out the box support for Nvidia drivers. This is less of a thing when compared to Bazzite, but still a reason why to pick Mint as a beginner distro.
FTFY you little grammar nazi.
From your own article
Or, the fact that the same term is understood in two different and sometimes conflicting ways may indicate that the term is not an ideal one in the first place.
I’m sorry that English is not my first language and I’m not aware of the subtle difference in meaning you’re after, but really all you’ve proven is that you’re a pedantic little troll who understood what I said and still chose to be obtuse about it. Another example how of this discussion is a waste of time.
Okay, this has turned into a complete waste of time. It’s impossible to talk to a person who makes up their own definition for words and demands proof of something most of the Linux community is in agreement. You’re the Linux equivalent of a flat earther.
The arguments are super simple.
Mint focuses on stability as evident from its decision to use Ubuntu LTS versions as it’s base. In case I need to spell it out, LTS versions are generally more stable and reliable.
And you brought up X11 as a negative, but there’s a good reason Mint is staying on X11. Yes, Wayland is the future and eventually Mint will adopt Wayland as well, when Wayland becomes more stable. I’m the mean time Mint stays on X11 because X11 is very stable, extremely stable compared to Wayland if you have an Nvidia card.
Mint also has better out the box support. For example to my knowledge for Nvidia Fedora comes with Nouvuea drivers which means for gaming you need to go through an extra process to get proprietary drivers. Mint has out the box support for Nvidia drivers. This is less of a thing when compared to Bazzite, but still a reason why to pick Mint as a beginner distro.
And the reason people recommend Mint is in those first two points. Mint deliberately sacrifices fancy bells and whistles to be as stable as possible. You not knowing that shows how little you know about Mint.
Specializes in giving beginners Linux, can’t name a single good reason why people recommend Mint to beginners (now or in the past), except for it having a GUI and guides. I don’t know about the beginners you’re “helping” but based on this conversation I wouldn’t trust a single recommendation, suggestion or opinion from you.
That does NOT have very little to do with beginners, being a highly supported distro is one of the most important things for beginners
Beingly highly supported is a prerequisite to being a good beginner distro, but it’s not a reason to recommend a distro. If we take it as a reason then Mint having a GUI is also a reason to recommend to beginners.
having guides for how to do things written specifically for your distro is fantastic for new people.
This is where we’re going to completely disagree. Guides in general are good, but I doubt any beginner actually cares about guides, unless it’s a guide telling you what to click where on the GUI. A good beginner distro has to work for the user without the need of any guides.
It being beloved is why it’s recommended, yes, and that doesn’t benefit new people, but that’s an obvious reason why one might recommend it…
Instead of playing the prying game where I keep prying until you give straight answers (because people don’t love Mint just because it’s an Ubuntu fork) I’m just going to conclude that either you deliberately don’t want to say why people recommend Mint to beginners or you actually don’t know why people recommend Mint. I don’t care which it is because both invalidate your opinion of the Mint suggestion being outdated.
There’s also the fact that it’s designed to be easy to use, but that also applies to fedora, and fedora is significantly more well-developed, so it’s not really relevant here.
Somehow you think the ease of use isn’t relevant because it also applies to Fedora, but support is relevant despite it also applying to Fedora? How about some consistency in your arguments.
The only reason Mint is suggested to beginners is because it’s “a highly supported, beloved distro”? A reason that has very little to do with beginners?
Stupid autocorrect. Why was it the best choice?
We’ve was it the best choice?
We’ve already established that a lot of people will recommend Mint. What do you think, why do a lot of people recommend Mint?
I disagree. Obviously the most ideal solution would be the have immutable Mint, but beginners need stability more than they do immutability. I’ve used mint and my only issue with Mint was that I didn’t like how it looked. I’m currently on Bazzite and these are the issues I’ve ran into:
Every time I start Firefox it asks to be made into the default browser. Even if I click yes it will still ask again next time I start Firefox.
When using the default audio sometimes the audio signal to my monitor cuts off which means I no audio comes from the speakers. If I tell the system to send the audio to my other monitor and back to the one I have hooked on the speakers then it instantly works again. It’s almost like the system forgets it has to send out audio. I don’t remember what I did to fix it but it definitely wasn’t beginner friendly.
Sometimes one of the monitors freezes and only one. The second monitor keeps working just fine. So far haven’t found a permanent solution for this issue.
There have also been some minor artifacting that I personally don’t consider an issue but someone else might.
Overall I can put up with the issues because I’ve pretty much conceded that I’m going to have issues. But I don’t think new users should be using a system where they’re going to run into problems they’re most likely not equipped to fix. That why I recommend Mint to newcomers because all the fancy bells and whistles don’t matter if the system doesn’t work. Mint doesn’t have bells and whistles, but it just works.
Why even enable snaps? It’s like asking to have headaches.
What are you not getting? Everything you’ve just brought up are things I’ve already covered. I’m done talking to a wall. Either read what I’ve said or stfu.
Which part of that statement was lying or misrepresenting? They’re your words. The first part.
I’m saying “do not go somewhere that expects tips,”
And the second part.
I’m saying do not go somewhere where you’re supposed to tip and not tip or you’re even worse than the problem. If you do, you need to tip.
“If you don’t want to support tipping culture, don’t go somewhere that expects tips. But if you do happen to go somewhere that expects tips (regardless of how you end up going there) you absolutely must support tipping culture”.
Now let me take your point into absurdity.
“If you don’t want to support gun violence you shouldn’t own a gun. But if you happen to own a gun you should do a mass shooting.”
That’s how your argument comes across to me. I have no issue with the first part of your argument, I do that. But I have an issue with the second part because that is defending tipping culture.
Show me exactly where I defended the system. Show me a single line.
You’re just leaving yourself a convenient back door to not tip while benefitting from tipping culture.
Trying to guilt people into tipping
But if you would like to go somewhere that expects tips, you better fucking tip
Literally telling people to tip.
If you go to a restaurant that expects tips and you don’t tip, you are keeping them in business while screwing over the person working.
If nobody tipped at those restaurants nobody would work at those restaurants and those restaurants would have to either start paying livable wage or go out of business.
I said if you don’t want tipping to continue, you can’t support restaurants that tip.
And I agree. I avoid going to such restaurants if given a chance. But if circumstances require going to such a restaurant do you really think tipping at that restaurant is less beneficial to the restaurant than not tipping?
In that scenario you are perpetuating the system by participating in it. It’s a choice.
If circumstances force me to participate then I should go all the way? Is that what you’re saying? So if a vegan orders a plate that happens to have meat in it then the vegan should eat that meat? After-all they’ve already participated by ordering something with meat.
But you are defending the system. You’re literally saying if you end up in a place that expects tipping then you should tip. What if you’re going out with a group and that group decides to go somewhere that expects tipping? Are you supposed to remove yourself from the group so you wouldn’t go into a place like that?
You can’t take this black and white stance where if you end up participating in this system you also have to perpetuate that system. Making the customer feel like they’re responsible for the livelihood of the staff is how this tipping culture is kept alive and that is exactly what you’re doing right now. You’re trying to claim we are responsible for their livelihood simply because we stepped into the restaurant and ate.
I would happily pay more for my meal if it meant I didn’t have to tip. The benefit we get from not tipping is marginal compared to the benefit restaurant owners get by not paying living wage. Not to mention it’s added stress to the actual people doing the work because they don’t even get the guarantee of a decent paycheck.
And there is a choice, you chose to perpetuate the system that grossly exploits the laborer, I choose to have minimal participation in such a system. Want to take a guess which of the two actually has a chance to fix the system?
So you don’t have stats you have anecdotal evidence.
It clearly requires a source because Cinnamon 6.0 has Wayland as an experimental support and Mint team has said they are planning to eventually move to Wayland.
For Gnome. You’ve been pretty much talking about KDE (unless you’re now magically going to do a 180 and start saying how Windows users would have a better time learning GNOME), which if you bothered to actually check what you’re saying would have noticed the
Clearly implying you should expect running into issues.
Somehow the things you say are straight-forward seem to be nothing but.
In theory. Except in practice we’re not talking about kernels that are 5+ years old. Latest Mint version is running on Ubuntu Noble which is using Kernel version 6.8 which supports all the latest CPU-s and GPU-s. Just because it’s not using the very latest kernel version doesn’t mean it’s not capable of supporting the latest hardware.