• frostwhitewolf@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    27
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    Just absolutely mind boggling how frequently this happens and literally nothing is being done about it. What a sick country.

      • Riddick3001@lemmy.worldOP
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        “They ARE doing something about it. Financing the whole thing!”.

        No they are not. You seem also out of control, buddy.

        It’s all a mix of the second ammendment, their interpretation & execution of that law, a dominant military and guns lobby system (Billionaire$); people loving their guns, no access to good (mental) health care, which allthogether is holding their country hostage, imho.

        So yeah, its all out of control. And nothing has changed, except that it’s getting worse.

        add.(mental) healthcare

        • Raphael@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          11
          ·
          1 year ago

          Part 1:

          No they are not

          Part 2:

          It’s all a mix of the second ammendment, their interpretation & execution of that law, a dominant military and guns lobby system (Billionaire$); people loving their guns, no access to good (mental) health care, which allthogether is holding their country hostage, imho.

          LOL

          • Dr_Duckless@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            10
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            He is not that wrong, after all switzerland to have guns and they control it with ease. They even celebrate a gun festival. where children practice shooting.

              • Dr_Duckless@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                I am not saying there swiss policies will fix USA, but why not tust try! They are not even trying to fix this shitness.

                New york have more people than Switzerland. but they also have 3x the money too!!

    • trifictional@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      And somehow some people are going to use this as reasoning that they need more guns to defend themselves.

  • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    27
    arrow-down
    9
    ·
    1 year ago

    Meanwhile, over 500 people have been killed by police in 2023 so far, and yet we never hear the president comment on that. Maybe we should be disarming the police?

      • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Why? Lots of people have guns, and almost all of them are never a problem to anyone. Perhaps we should look into why violence happens and address those root causes and of course disarm the police because their only purpose is violence.

        • Redrum714@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Everyone having guns is the sole reason there’s so many police shootings. Nothing is going to change until the general population is unarmed.

          • 133arc585@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            1 year ago

            What an insane take. Plenty of police shootings are on unarmed individuals. Moreover, having an unarmed populace wouldn’t prevent police shootings when the core cause of police brutality isn’t addressed. They demand control and obedience; you being unarmed doesn’t make them any less likely to shoot you if you’re not being obedient.

            • Redrum714@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              That’s not a “take” that’s reality lol

              US cops have to always assume that someone can be armed given the insane amount of guns and ease of access. That is directly correlated with the wide spread use of lethal force.

              Cops in countries with sane gun laws, for example the UK, can safely assume the average citizen does not have a gun on them.

              • 133arc585@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                1 year ago

                It’s used as an excuse. If people weren’t armed, they’d find another excuse. That’s what I mean by not addressing the underlying problem of police brutality and abuse of power. Also, they’ll always say they thought someone had a gun even when they know almost for certain the person didn’t, because they know you’ll buy it.

                • Redrum714@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  What other excuse? Guns are literally the main issue…

                  You can have the best police training programs in the world, but if the population is heavily armed and unregulated you’re still going to have ton of police shootings.

                  Of course they always say “thought we saw a gun”. Guns are so numerous they have to assume the worst else the chances of getting shot goes way up.

  • Fishe_stix@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 year ago

    The president again parrots “assault rifle” and magazine capacity bans, which only pushes actual reform further out of reach. We lack a centralized database of ownership, private sale registration but we are able to keep a computer database of prescription medications so a kid doesn’t get his Adderall a day early. We register cars regardless of type of sale and require a license to drive but firearms are freely sold by private sale with no requirements to register or license the user. We suspend driving privileges for nonpayment of debts, but you are expected to be honest about being a fugitive when filling out ffl forms. If we don’t treat firearms at least as seriously as cars, why does the magazine capacity matter? Why do people who can’t define the term assault rifle calling for reforms based on nuanced features of firearms.

    This cycle just repeats. Someone tries to ban magazine size or something they know nothing about and any chance of meaningful reform is over. I would gladly submit to more stringent background checks, registration, and proof of competency. But when the conversation starts out with banning scary black rifles or magazines over 10 rounds I know nothing will change. These suggestions are worthless and make gun owners unwilling to engage.

    Imagine we wanted to cut down on traffic crashes so the suggestion is made by someone who does drive to limit fuel tank size or ban “sports cars”. Of course no one can define sports car, and gas tanks don’t make people drive recklessly, but the person proposing the law doesn’t know anything about cars. Car enthusiasts would roll their eyes and consider the attempt a joke. But instead we have speed limits, vehicle registration, driver license requirements, and safety standards that actually make cars safer. You can own a Porsche, but if you break the law your registration will be used to find you and your driver’s license in jeopardy.

    Americans aren’t going to give up guns. But there is hope that current technology could better regulate ownership and usage. Unfortunately idiotic hollow statements about magazine size and the assault rifle boogy man make those who could facilitate change look foolish.

  • Omen2819@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 year ago

    This is why we chose to stay home on holidays. I feel bad that my kids are missing out, but I would rather have them miss some fireworks than risk becoming a statistic.

    • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      30
      ·
      1 year ago

      You are paranoid and ruining your children’s childhood for no reason at all. Learn statistics, and incorporate that into your daily life. Hint if you drive a car you are endangering your children way more.

      • Omen2819@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        21
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        Interesting, you’re telling me to learn statistics, and then you skipped over the leading cause of death for children in the United States.

        Try incorporating empathy in your life, and understand it’s not about you. If you don’t have the same concern as others, you don’t have to resort to insults; you can accept that someone else feels differently without trying to hurt them.

        • mintyfrog@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          I didn’t know “children” included 18 and 19 year olds but not infants.

          Regardless, I hope that you and your family were able to enjoy the holiday and feel safe wherever you were. Freedom includes doing what you feel is best, and nobody should fault you for wanting to keep your kids safe.

  • Riddick3001@lemmy.worldOP
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    “Fifteen people were killed and 94 injured across 13 states as well as Washington DC”.

    These massshootings are so out of control…

    • red@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Way more Americam than apple pie. Apple pie isn’t American at all. The Americas didn’t even have apples, initially.

  • Eidolon_Alpha@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    The only ‘mass shooting’ was the Philly one. Intellectually stunted and politically blinded morons are trying to change the definition by lumping in gang bangers doing drive bys and shooting up house parties. If you Individually dig through the gunviolencearchive.org sources, the overwhelming majority of them have an African American teenager with a handgun set out to settle a personal vendetta; yet somehow that scenario is - by gunviolence.orgs own statistical criteria - categorized the same exact way as a deranged psychopath with an AR-15 randomly shooting up a mall (which even once is way too fucking common, but not as statistically prominent as the site is trying to mislead the public to believe).

    It’s not a gun problem, it’s a cultural one.

    • Lininop@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Why can’t it be both? Especially when guns are so interwoven into the culture.

      So it’s not a mass shooting if the person is black and the crime is personal? What led you to come with that criteria? I tend to think “A mass shooting is a violent crime in which an attacker kills or injures multiple individuals simultaneously using a firearm.” is a pretty fair definition. You know “mass” as in several individuals involved and “shooting” as in a firearm was involved. Keep it up with the mental gymnastics though.

      • thoughtorgan@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        People love to point the fingers at the tool used to do evil things. Instead of addressing why the evil thing is happening.

        Banning and restricting guns is a band aid solution that harms the general populace more than it benefits.

        Bad actors that want to inflict harm are not concerned with using something legal to get the job done. There will always be inventive whackos out there that will find ways to hurt people. Guns or no guns.

        The Swiss have almost the same firearm to people ratio as America ( at least compared to the rest of the world ) and under have far fewer of the same issues. I think this is largely because of cultural differences and availability for healthcare.

        • Redrum714@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Weird how the US is literally the only first world country with this problem. No way it has anything to do with the ease of access to guns!

          • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            I wonder if there are any other differences in America from other first-world countries? Maybe it’s the availability of swimming pools? Or too many McDonalds? Or maybe there are numerous social issues that are unaddressed here in the states and have been responsible for a much higher incidence of violence in general, of which guns are a small part.

            • Redrum714@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              There’s violent and unhinged people in every country. The difference is the guns… it couldn’t be anymore fucking obvious lol

        • absquatulate@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          People keep giving the swiss as an example but it’s not the same context. Mainly because in Switzerland all men go through mandatory military service and that builds some discipline when handling a gun. Also they still have to get ( strict ) permits for those weapons, even with the accompanying training.

          It is my impression ( and I apologize for the generalizations ) that in the US they’re essentially handing out assault rifles to any rando with some cash on him.

          • thoughtorgan@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            A swiss permit is as strict as a USA background check.

            I’m not even kidding.

            You get a permit by not having a relevant criminal record and being of age.

            USA background check is to see if you have a relevant criminal record and if you are old enough.

            Saaaaaame shit in the end.

            USA gun laws vary by state. Even those with the strictest of gun laws still have lots of gun violence.

            Disarming your population isn’t the answer.