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    21 hours ago

    Provide a trustworthy source if you want people to believe you. For a source to be trustworthy it shouldn’t be influenced by any of both conflicting countries. This should be a well known fact, by the way.

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        Do you understand that each of these links contains info provided by FSB? This means, that provided by you sources got their info from other non-reliable source. Provide sources of info that are absolutely non-affected by any country involved in conflict(this means no Russia and its allies). For fairness of justice, sources of info influenced by Ukraine also won’t be counted as reliable in this case.

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          i’m willing to bet that the sources you consider “trustworthy” or “reliable” are backed by the cia, mi6 or mossad.

          you could see screenshots of them doing this in the inventing reality community, but i doubt it’ll matter to you.

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            Any source of info, that is not affected by the conflicting side, is trustworthy. This means, that any 3d party reporter that got there and recorded everything by himself, will be much more trustworthy than any governmental organization, since any such organization will work in interests of government. What this means, is that it can also spread misinformation if it benefitial for the country. This may happen in a ANY country. Thus, unless you can provide unredacted raw proofs of this fact, at least, from let’s say even from a RANDOM citizen of the country, where it happened, who accidentally recorded it on phone, I have no obligation to believe in this fact or believe you. Fair?

            P. S. We have a normal discussion here. If you can’t or don’t want to find liable source, you may simply state this and stop this dialog. I don’t force you spend your time on doing what you don’t like.

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              Any type of media reporting (even 3rd party) comes with inherent bias. Assuming it doesn’t and is therefore more trustworthy, is a logical fallacy. You corroborate stories by reading from all sides. Just because a piece of info comes from a state actor doesn’t make it less trustworthy, only it’s bias is more apparent. Propaganda isn’t effective if it doesn’t contain truths.

              Basically you’re arguing here that this didn’t happen and imply western media and western information agencies wouldn’t debunk the story outright if they could

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                Okay, let’s omit the questions about how you have interpreted my comments. My question is that, where are other sides you are talking about? Provide me other sources of info, so so that I can compare. For some reason, no one can do it here, except for replying with criticism and even gaslighting intents. I want to see other sources of raw unedited material, not some speculations of other news agencies about if it is truth or not. I personally wasn’t able to find any source that has info not from governmental agencies of Russia. I am simply asking about raw facts and proofs not from them.

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                  Provide me other sources of info, so so that I can compare.

                  Comrade @woodenghost@hexbear.net has provided you western reporting on it. If it werent true or if there were doubts about it being true, do you think western media would report on it?

                  I personally wasn’t able to find any source that has info not from governmental agencies of Russia.

                  Sometimes events don’t have these, does that mean it didn’t happen? Are you unaware of the massive amount of Nazis in Ukraine? Do you think it is staged? Do you think western press and information agencies wouldn’t jump at the opportunity to show the FSB lied?

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            Probably neutral alien monks from Mars who observe earth through a slightly broken amateur telescope, never read, watch or listen to any news themselves, have sworn an oath of silence and only communicate their news cast in form of slight alterations in pitch of a constant monotonous humming sound they make.

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            Absolutely any source of info, that is not affected by government of country involved in conflict. It can be a 3d party recorder(from another country), who accidentally recorded this event, or even a random citizen of country in which it happened. Even an unredacted video from a street camera or video registrator from a car parked near would be acceptable. I understand that sometimes there exist only 1 source of any info available, but it doesn’t mean that this source will be by default trustworthy. If there no other sources available, then simply state so. You can’t believe absolutely everything in social and information networks nowadays without confirmation.

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    Russia media says Russia media was attacked by “neo-Nazis”?

    They have no reason to lie about that right?

    Isn’t that German flag and not the Nazi Germany flag?

    This is bad propaganda but there is a valid message in it:

    1 Russia calls anyone they don’t like Nazis (that’s fine I do it too) since that word is generally reviled by anyone who isn’t a piece of shit Nazi.

    2 Russia is doing genocide (or trying to lol) in Ukraine. But it appears they are genociding their own boys. Way to be. Idiots. Throw yourselves at drones some more.

    3 the Russian government is out of money out of modern weapons out of troops and conscripting school children in their failed war

    4 Russians are beginning to press x to doubt their government and the purpose of the war

    5 Russian media sloppily puts out this video of a “neo Nazi” as propaganda to prove the effectiveness of their security and the purpose of the pointless winnable fight Putin started.

    While I don’t doubt that Ukraine is striking deeper and deeper into Russia territory and Russians should be concerned about their safety as Ukraine destroys more and more on their attack, this story is hooey and has nothing to do with Nazis.