the confounding tribalism behind its modularity. options are great, but they also bring out the absolute worst in many of us.
it’s not much of a problem until those options actually manage to fragment the desktop and server ecosystems, but the attitudes at play surely drive prospective newcomers away a bit.
the confounding tribalism behind its modularity. options are great, but they also bring out the absolute worst in many of us.
Exactly. Parts of the Linux community, and FOSS in general, are extremely hostile. And for some new users, that’s the first (and probably only) impression they get when they have an issue trying it out for the first time. It’s a very small minority, but they are loud and aggressive, and are not ostracized by the community nearly enough.
Telling a new user that is going out of their way to figure out how to find and post an issue or feature request to Github, telling them to just fix it themselves isn’t a solution, it’s just being a dick. 99.9% of this planet doesn’t know how to code, just because they’re making a post on GitHub doesn’t mean they know how to code. Especially not at a level to fix an issue like that.
they used to be a much larger part of the community when i first got into linux in the early aughts; i’m glad RTFM is no longer considered a reasonable response.
Init managers for sure! Amongst file managers and DEs, firewalls, package managers, modern packaging systems and their sandbox/security systems, display servers (probably the funniest one), audio servers, filesystems.
Lots of stuff we should appreciate having as FOSS, especially the options we don’t choose.
Fully switching over for the last couple years has made this modularity feel especially apparent compared to commercial systems (when things aren’t always so seamlessly integrated) but I’m glad for it all; it’s really fucking cool to think about how dramatically you can change the experience of a Linux desktop OS.
I wouldn’t say there’s “discourse.” That implies there are two sides engaging. It’s really just NixOS users telling everyone else they’re doing it wrong.
I didn’t really mean it in the sense that the communities of different atomic/immutable engage regarding the trade-offs associated by their respective methods of achieving atomicity/immutability. And, honestly, I’d actually love to see more of that. Even if NixOS users would dunk on the rest, at least until the learning curves are brought up.
Instead, what we often find are unproductive threads like this one 😅. In which, naysayers and proponents act like they’re engaging, but I simply fail to understand what’s happening.
the confounding tribalism behind its modularity. options are great, but they also bring out the absolute worst in many of us.
it’s not much of a problem until those options actually manage to fragment the desktop and server ecosystems, but the attitudes at play surely drive prospective newcomers away a bit.
Exactly. Parts of the Linux community, and FOSS in general, are extremely hostile. And for some new users, that’s the first (and probably only) impression they get when they have an issue trying it out for the first time. It’s a very small minority, but they are loud and aggressive, and are not ostracized by the community nearly enough.
Telling a new user that is going out of their way to figure out how to find and post an issue or feature request to Github, telling them to just fix it themselves isn’t a solution, it’s just being a dick. 99.9% of this planet doesn’t know how to code, just because they’re making a post on GitHub doesn’t mean they know how to code. Especially not at a level to fix an issue like that.
And that some programs are extremely opinionated.
Ignoring requests with thousands of posts, or even pull requests where the changes are already implemented
“No. I won’t add tabs, it’s better UX to have separate windows”
“No, I won’t allow the user to save the password, even if it’s local or not important”
“All the temporary shit will be saved on the hardcoded directory ~/.fuckyou and not /tmp”
get lucky you can patch shit out or in
.fuckyou 😂😂
A recent bugbear of mine has been hardcoded icons.
Did you just try to theme my app? We’re opinionated software, and that’s bigotry.
they used to be a much larger part of the community when i first got into linux in the early aughts; i’m glad RTFM is no longer considered a reasonable response.
Go on, say it
You mean systemd, don’t you?
Probably X vs Wayland. Everyone knows what the correct answer is.
GNOME too
It’s Wayland, right? ^oh no^
Init managers for sure! Amongst file managers and DEs, firewalls, package managers, modern packaging systems and their sandbox/security systems, display servers (probably the funniest one), audio servers, filesystems.
Lots of stuff we should appreciate having as FOSS, especially the options we don’t choose.
Fully switching over for the last couple years has made this modularity feel especially apparent compared to commercial systems (when things aren’t always so seamlessly integrated) but I’m glad for it all; it’s really fucking cool to think about how dramatically you can change the experience of a Linux desktop OS.
I mean, it could be so many things. Could just be people fighting over distros in general, or it could be the wayland vs x11 thing.
There’s also a lot of zealous discourse on the subject of atomic/immutable distros.
I wouldn’t say there’s “discourse.” That implies there are two sides engaging. It’s really just NixOS users telling everyone else they’re doing it wrong.
I didn’t really mean it in the sense that the communities of different atomic/immutable engage regarding the trade-offs associated by their respective methods of achieving atomicity/immutability. And, honestly, I’d actually love to see more of that. Even if NixOS users would dunk on the rest, at least until the learning curves are brought up.
Instead, what we often find are unproductive threads like this one 😅. In which, naysayers and proponents act like they’re engaging, but I simply fail to understand what’s happening.