Worth reviewing what type of sanitation services are available. If people are completely ignoring adequate public recepticles and bathrooms then that can be addressed a variety of ways but that seems relatively less likely in my opinion.
Especially with people breaking into homes to use the bathroom. Hard to imagine anyone resorting to this except out of sheer desperation, which would suggest that the number of people being invited over is simply too many for the infrastructure to handle.
If the infrastructure is inadequate to handle the volume of people then cancelling the event or limiting visitors is the responsible thing to do. It will come with an economic hit (I imagine quite a few businesses see increased sales volume during the festival) but for the dignity of both the tourists and residents it’s important not to stretch the existing infrastructure beyond capacity.
Would be interesting to hear what the tourists perspective have been over the past few years, especially if the issue got this bad.
You have never been to Japan, have you? If any country in the world has excellent public bathroom infrastructure, it’s Japan. Always clean, generally free, and within 1-2 minutes walking range.
The already existing infrastructure may be of good quality but it doesn’t really matter if the capacity isn’t there to meet the volume of people.
In fact, let’s agree that your point is true. Wouldn’t people want to use those immaculately maintained facilities and, if they aren’t, could it be because the wait is too long?
I have trouble buying a narrative that any person chose to skip over a widely available well maintained public toilet to break into a person’s home and use their bathroom. You should too.
I agree that most people wouldn’t opt for that, but most tourists also don’t behave like that. The vast majority behaves very well, they are somewhat aware of Japanese manners and try to adapt (sometimes in sweet, dorky ways, but who am I to judge, I probably look the same).
There are a few people who do this and they ruin the image for everyone.
The issue is not the infrastructure, really. It is excellent and in excellent condition, across the country.
Imagine you have perfect toilets, some even designed by star architects, free to use for everyone and clean. And some fucker just decides to take a dump in someone’s garden, for whatever reason. Is that the problem of the infrastructure?
Doesn’t matter how famous the architect who made the toilet was if there’s only one of them per 100 people at a tourist event compared to the one per 10 any other time of the year. I’ve seen lots of fancy toilets but none of them have been able to hold 10 butts at once.
Seriously though, Japan has the best toilet infrastructure in the world as far as I can tell, in terms of maintenance and quantity. Tourists don’t shit in people’s gardens in other countries as much, or at least it doesn’t get scandalized. I assume it doesn’t happen all that often here either, probably those were 1-2 cases that get hyped up. But toilet infrastructure is really the last thing you have to worry about.
Also, it’s not like all of a sudden 1000 people spawn in the same spot and all have to take a shit within the next 2 minutes. I expect tourists, especially adults, to be able to plan their dumping schedule at least 10 minutes ahead in regular times. If there are a few emergencies, the Japanese toilet infrastructure can accomodate for them. There are not 1000 emergencies at the same time. Just walk for 2 minutes or across the street to the next convenience store and take a shit there.
Other than that, the star architect toilet tour through tokyo is one of my recommendations for friends coming to visit. It’s really an experience!
For whatever reason? What could possibly be the reason? If the toilets are as remarkable and pristine as youve shared, it’s hard to imagine any reason someone would choose to do that. Unless you’re saying the tourist is doing it out of spite which still leaves us with the question of why.
You genuinely think a person would forgo a functional (let’s take udon’s word for it - world class) toilet to break into someone’s house in a foreign country just to use their bathroom? That doesn’t seem like a stretch to you?
Like I said, if they’re accustomed to bad infrastructure, why would they expect it elsewhere?
Besides that, tourists often travel in group. Even the best infrastructure can’t accommodate a large bus of tourists are once.
I’ve been to Japan, the more touristy places actually have signs specifically addressing the Chinese on what not to do, so it does point at it being a larger problem there.
Being accustomed to bad infrastructure means they instinctually wouldn’t use good infrastructure if it’s right in front of them? That’s an interesting assumption to make of those of lesser means.
Yes, I can see that being a problem. But it comes back to Japanese infrastructure not having adequate capacity so I’m glad they’re doing the responsible thing by shutting it down. Hopefully they can come up with a solution so that Japanese businesses that rely on a spike in revenue during this festival don’t get hit too hard.
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Worth reviewing what type of sanitation services are available. If people are completely ignoring adequate public recepticles and bathrooms then that can be addressed a variety of ways but that seems relatively less likely in my opinion.
Especially with people breaking into homes to use the bathroom. Hard to imagine anyone resorting to this except out of sheer desperation, which would suggest that the number of people being invited over is simply too many for the infrastructure to handle.
If the infrastructure is inadequate to handle the volume of people then cancelling the event or limiting visitors is the responsible thing to do. It will come with an economic hit (I imagine quite a few businesses see increased sales volume during the festival) but for the dignity of both the tourists and residents it’s important not to stretch the existing infrastructure beyond capacity.
Would be interesting to hear what the tourists perspective have been over the past few years, especially if the issue got this bad.
You have never been to Japan, have you? If any country in the world has excellent public bathroom infrastructure, it’s Japan. Always clean, generally free, and within 1-2 minutes walking range.
The already existing infrastructure may be of good quality but it doesn’t really matter if the capacity isn’t there to meet the volume of people.
In fact, let’s agree that your point is true. Wouldn’t people want to use those immaculately maintained facilities and, if they aren’t, could it be because the wait is too long?
I have trouble buying a narrative that any person chose to skip over a widely available well maintained public toilet to break into a person’s home and use their bathroom. You should too.
I agree that most people wouldn’t opt for that, but most tourists also don’t behave like that. The vast majority behaves very well, they are somewhat aware of Japanese manners and try to adapt (sometimes in sweet, dorky ways, but who am I to judge, I probably look the same).
There are a few people who do this and they ruin the image for everyone.
The issue is not the infrastructure, really. It is excellent and in excellent condition, across the country.
Imagine you have perfect toilets, some even designed by star architects, free to use for everyone and clean. And some fucker just decides to take a dump in someone’s garden, for whatever reason. Is that the problem of the infrastructure?
Doesn’t matter how famous the architect who made the toilet was if there’s only one of them per 100 people at a tourist event compared to the one per 10 any other time of the year. I’ve seen lots of fancy toilets but none of them have been able to hold 10 butts at once.
Seriously though, Japan has the best toilet infrastructure in the world as far as I can tell, in terms of maintenance and quantity. Tourists don’t shit in people’s gardens in other countries as much, or at least it doesn’t get scandalized. I assume it doesn’t happen all that often here either, probably those were 1-2 cases that get hyped up. But toilet infrastructure is really the last thing you have to worry about.
Also, it’s not like all of a sudden 1000 people spawn in the same spot and all have to take a shit within the next 2 minutes. I expect tourists, especially adults, to be able to plan their dumping schedule at least 10 minutes ahead in regular times. If there are a few emergencies, the Japanese toilet infrastructure can accomodate for them. There are not 1000 emergencies at the same time. Just walk for 2 minutes or across the street to the next convenience store and take a shit there.
Other than that, the star architect toilet tour through tokyo is one of my recommendations for friends coming to visit. It’s really an experience!
For whatever reason? What could possibly be the reason? If the toilets are as remarkable and pristine as youve shared, it’s hard to imagine any reason someone would choose to do that. Unless you’re saying the tourist is doing it out of spite which still leaves us with the question of why.
I imagine China doesn’t have the infrastructure Japan has and they’re simply doing what they’re accustomed to doing when travelling their own country.
You genuinely think a person would forgo a functional (let’s take udon’s word for it - world class) toilet to break into someone’s house in a foreign country just to use their bathroom? That doesn’t seem like a stretch to you?
Like I said, if they’re accustomed to bad infrastructure, why would they expect it elsewhere?
Besides that, tourists often travel in group. Even the best infrastructure can’t accommodate a large bus of tourists are once. I’ve been to Japan, the more touristy places actually have signs specifically addressing the Chinese on what not to do, so it does point at it being a larger problem there.
Being accustomed to bad infrastructure means they instinctually wouldn’t use good infrastructure if it’s right in front of them? That’s an interesting assumption to make of those of lesser means.
Yes, I can see that being a problem. But it comes back to Japanese infrastructure not having adequate capacity so I’m glad they’re doing the responsible thing by shutting it down. Hopefully they can come up with a solution so that Japanese businesses that rely on a spike in revenue during this festival don’t get hit too hard.
Bro has never been here and thinks he can make a reasonable argument
Feel free to make a counter argument based on your personal experience, if you actually have one. What would be the reason?
The infrastructure aren’t inadequate, tourist are entitled.
That’s not the first time Japan people have problem with tourists
Hard to imagine entitlement leading someone to break into a home in a foreign country to use a toilet though, right?
Ho man you’ll be surprised. At the start of the 2000s there was a a French YouTuber that give tips on how to « get » Japanese girl… the tips ? Rape, post on YouTube.