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Russia warns Ukraine’s ATACMS attacks mark ‘new phase’ of war, lowers threshold for using nuclear weapons

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Russia warns Ukraine’s ATACMS attacks mark ‘new phase’ of war
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Warning comes as Putin lowers threshold for using Russia nuclear arsenal in move decried as ‘irresponsible’ by the West.
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    Maybe Iran and North Korea shouldn’t have made such an obvious and stupid choice to escalate the conflict by allowing Russia to use their weapons?

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      Iran and the DPRK are in no position to allow Russia to do anything.

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        North Korea could not have been forced to use their troops to attack Ukraine if Kim Jong Un did not want them too. Iran I’m guessing did not care which hospital their weapons landed in.

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          You people talk like you think you’re at the strategy table in game of thrones, and not one of us mud-covered peasants. I’m willing to bet you know less than nothing about the causes of this war and the dynamics between it’s participants.

          Iran I’m guessing did not care which hospital their weapons landed in.

          Naked projection, your side has been bombing hospitals for a year in Palestine and a century everywhere else.

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          North Korea could not have been forced to use their troops to attack Ukraine if Kim Jong Un did not want them too.

          Truly brilliant. Also there is no evidence the DPRK is deploying troops to attack Ukraine.

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              Show it then? It would be much more effective than “yes there is.”

              https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6227475

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              Yes there is.

              Reasserting your empty claim is not evidence.

              Way more than your imagined threat to “russian” speakers in ukraine.

              You have got to be fucking kidding me.

              • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
              • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
              • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
              • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
              • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
              • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
              • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
              • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
              • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
              • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
              • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
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                “You have got to be fucking kidding me.” Send in the Wagner PMC group (named after Hitler’s favourite composer and co founded by a NAZI) to oppose them Because of course Russia does not have a NAZI problem. (Shame Prigozhin got out of line and had to be murdered in the end.)

                “Reasserting your empty claim is not evidence.” If you spent 20 seconds more looking you would have found more news reports of the North Korean troops. But you didn’t. And I’m not bothering.

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                  If you spent 20 seconds more looking you would have found more news reports of the North Korean troops.

                  I’ve seen the reports. They say those troops are in Russia. If they’ve done anything to date, they’ve defended Russian territory, in Russia.

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                    “they’ve defended Russian territory, in Russia.” LOL Prigozhin is dead, he’s not doing another march on Moscow.

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      Regardless of this, I do not think we should escalate things with a nuclear power.

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        Serious question here, but how exactly do you think the world should deal with a dictator armed with nukes? Capitulate at every single threat?

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          I don’t know how the world should deal with Biden, truly. Russia is not the power that is issuing threats. NATO did exactly what they recognized for decades would push Russia to invade. Ask how Russia should deal with a foreign power covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis who would go on to bomb Russian speakers.

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            “NATO did exactly what they recognized for decades would push Russia to invade.” Which is nothing.

            “Ask how Russia should deal with a foreign power covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis who would go on to bomb Russian speakers.” LOL Now you are into delusional crackpot territory.

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              Wrt doing “nothing”:

              https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-russia-may-have-make-ukraine-deal-one-day-partners-cheated-past-2022-12-09/

              June 2022 WSJ/National Opinion Research Center poll showed 55% of Ukrainians believed NATO (and 58% wrt the US, 70% wrt the Ukrainian govt.) bears some/a great deal of responsibility for the Russian invasion and ongoing war.

              (and below)

              Wrt “covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis”:

              https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea

              https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/analysis-u-s-cozies-kiev-government-including-far-right-n66061

              https://docs.google.com/document/d/17nC9epcFDOYcVDIcJyWx0udBGPOJiNanuAUu8jxUvmU/edit

              And wrt “bomb[ing] Russian speakers”:

              https://youtu.be/1fsMqYqHnN0

              https://web.archive.org/web/20230320234408/https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/1497097389521342464

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              Are you a troll, or do you simply not know anything?

              • George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
              • Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
              • Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
              • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
              • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine

              • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
              • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
              • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
              • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism

              • Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

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                errmm, actually, history started in February 2022 ☝️🤓

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                Putin is a fascist. That is a fact. (so is Trump for that matter) Fascists should be opposed, this is also a fact.

                My question is why do you uncritically support fascists?

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                  Putin is a fascist.

                  [Citation needed]

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                    He’s an absolute dictator who has his (serious) opponents murdered. Seems clear to me.

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          We should pick our battles. Do you want to get nuked for Ukraine of all places?

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            So your answer is to capitulate at every threat. Good going.

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              You do understand this is circular logic right? Why should Russia capitulate to every US or NATO threat?

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              yeah we lost 90% of the world’s population from global nuclear hellfire and the resulting fallout, but for a brief moment there we really showed Putin who’s boss!!

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              Who cares

              Seriously

              Would you rather you and your whole family gets killed or the lines on the map say Russia? You still don’t own the means of production so same shit different asshole.

              There is no bourgeois capitalist cause that’s worth the death of a single civilian

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              What’s stopping you from going to Ukraine and fighting?

              Everyone talks big about war, they just want someone else to fight it

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