I’m out of the loop.
ELI5? McDonald’s and Burger King. One has a Big Mac, the other a Whopper. One has red and yellow, the other red and blue. Either way, you’re getting a burger.
Oh, they’re also right next to each other so you can wave to the people in Burger King from McDonald’s and vice versa. Now everyone is enjoying burgers together.
What if I want a taco?
That would be Mastodon.
Tacos = toots
yeah, that tracks.
Relevant username I guess.
We’ll tell you to get out! We don’t do that folding thing here. Bun, meat, bun… ONLY.
*Don’t ask how we’d eat a hot dog.
Lemmy and kbin are two different forum software that can be installed and run on servers. Because both use the ActivityPub protocol, the content between them can be shared. So, a Lemmy user will be able to see content from a server running kbin, using Lemmy.
But how can I see kbin content from lemmy, I couldnt find an option yet. Also from kbin I cannot find lemmy communities
There isn’t an option, you can’t even tell but you already have the kbin content.
You can’t disable it.
The reason that’s happening right now is because kbin is enacting ddos protection using cloudflare so they aren’t federating properly, this is a temporary problem.
This is due to Kbin using Cloudflare anti DDoS, which disallows Lemmy instances reaching it
To see Lemmy content on kbin, just add the full address of the Lemmy instance to the end of the kbin URL. For example, https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world lets you see content from !lemmyworld@lemmy.world on https://kbin.social.
The other way round should also work (ie. to see kbin content on Lemmy), but for some reason it’s not working on major Lemmy instances for me, even though they are federated to kbin.social and other kbin instances.
Someone said the cloudflare protection is breaking that ability
Same here. I can actually see the Kbin communities when I search, but it is showing no content. Not sure what it looks like from the Kbin side.
As another poster said, CloudFlare protection is breaking sync with Kbin at the moment.
I set up an account in kbin a last week and objectively prefer it, but it’s become kind of unusable over the last couple of days.
It is the difference between nginx and apache: two pieces of software that do basically the same thing. With the exception of some naming conventions and UI differences, they are the same and both participate in the community in the same way.
Effectively just two different methods to access the Fediverse. They each have different thought processes on how to do that, and both are at different stages in their development with kbin being the newest of the two.
I’m watching kbin’s development as I really like its intended ability to interface directly with say Mastodon, but as its stands it’s not quite their yet imo.
lemmy is the more mature platform, whilst kbin is newer and more feature rich.
What it amounts to is that kbin can do things that lemmy can’t do, but the things that they both do, lemmy tends to do better. And as kbin is effectively in alpha at the moment, it doesn’t have much documentation, making installation and configuration a challenge.
The biggest point of difference in features is that kbin is aware of other fediverse content in a way lemmy isn’t. kbin and lemmy both talk to each other really well, but kbin also natively supports other types of fediverse groups (gup.pe, friendica and chirp). kbin also lets you see non threadiverse content, by attaching hashtags to groups. So if you set up say a cycling group on kbin, you can also make the group watch the #cycling tag, any any mastodon or other micoblogging content will appear on a special tab in your cycling group.
(Not shooting the messenger, just as info for other readers.)
Using hashtags for this seems like an idea with some severe limitations because it can only see the posts it has happened to come across otherwise. (Unlike the other group formats.)Yep, but that’s true of keyword search on all fediverse platforms, and unlike lemmy, you can follow micro blog fedi accounts from kbin, so you can federate non group content in more readily
Yes, keyword search works poorly on fedi is what I’m saying 💁🏻♀️
Using that as a basis for group talk can end up being super unreliable in some situations.No more than anywhere else on the fediverse
Yes, it works poorly everywhere on the fediverse, is exactly what I’m saying.
Hashtags on Fedi can be good for organizing stuff within a single account or instance, or it can be used for other things like trigger specific bots, but they can not (as you know) work like an IRC channel like they did on Twitter.
That’s why I’m not happy about kbin elevating that misfeature and legitimizing its misuse as if it were as robust as the other federated group protocols are. It’s not the end of the world or the worst feature on the planet, I’m not that worked up about it, it’s just not good, is all.
(Again, not blaming you for that ofc, you only reported on it, and that was awesome, thanks.)
It’s not a “misfeature” though. The inherent nature of decentralisation is that there is no single “true” view of the network. You can only ever see part of it, and you ultimately have to curate that view so that it fits your needs. This is part of that.
Correct, and that’s exactly why it does not work for group things.
If fedi is like email, and it is similar in many ways, a Lemmy community is like a mailing list. People can send to the list and the threads on the list from different servers. And there can be separate communities about the same topics just as there can be separate mailing lists about the same topics.
But hashtags in email wouldn’t work as a replacement for mailing lists. Hashtags in email can still have some use, within a mailing list or in a specific conversation, but it’s something very different from a mailing list.
On kbin, if people think that “Oh, here is where the posts about cycling will show up” but the magazine is just based around a hashtag, there’s no way for people to participate deliberately. It’s misleading.
Using hashtags as if it were tumblr or twitter is anti-decentralization and drives people into using the biggest instances only. Groups a la gup.pe and Lemmy and Friendica is a solution to that. It’s only a partially decentralized solution, since each group itself is centrally hosted (exactly like mailing lists were), but it’s at least a solution, whereas misusing hashtags that way isn’t.
