Mozilla in recent releases is making it really hard for non-systemd distros to comply. Fake non-systemd distros using udev and elogind out of the latest systemd don’t seem to have a problem.…
Right. What’s stopping anyone from maintaining the ONE PURE SYSTEM-FREE DISTRO ™? If it’s -that- much of an issue, surely there’s enough of a userbase to justify maintaining such a distro and suite of apps? We’re running an operating system whose very foundation exists due to forks and splits… some of which went on to be extremely popular defaults. Instead we get an insufferable rant blaming millennials for everything. Literally. Author blames millennials for Firefox, Librewolf and Thunderbird apparently expediting the death of non-systemd setups.
And then we have a spiel about Chrome… “which is a violent security violator bootstrapping itself deep into the base system”… oh lord. Yeah. Someone forgot to take his meds. We’re about one step away from someone asking him where on the Android plush doll the author touched by the Big Bad Google Man in a Trenchcoat.
Angry old man angry that the world hasn’t remained exactly the same for his benefit alone.
What’s stopping anyone from maintaining the ONE PURE SYSTEM-FREE DISTRO ™?
Nothing. Actions have shown that distro maintainers overwhelmingly prefer systemd because it’s way easier to maintain than sysv init (from what I hear anyways). I’d put money on the author of the blog not being a distro maintainer - just some guy that complains on the internet.
There are plenty of Systemdless forks of distros. People do maintain and it works well. However, the issue is to make the forks its incredibly labor intensive for coders and while not impossible to remove systemd, it’s extremely hard. When base apps require systemd, it locks you down to that one system which is why people hate it so much. It centralizes code and the systems and prevents ease of choice. Does it work? Yes. Though even if it doesn’t affect you or your thoughts, its good to understand why there is a divide. I personally use Artix Linux at the moment with S6 as my init system and it works great. I get why people like Systemd, but I feel it sterilizes our freedom of choice like a frog in a pot of water.
I understand it. I never liked windows moving to the database like registry for configs. But it is what it is type of thing. I might choose a distro because it still uses sysv and I already like freebsd so its a possibility for me to but I also like really easy and convenient distros I can install and go with. Generally im not really mucking about in those systems anyway except at a very high user level.
The thing coming closest to the Windows registry is Gnome’s GConf.
systemd also isn’t a monolithic blob. It would cause some work but you can individually replace the various systemd-related programs with own implementations. They all just communicate with each other, they’re not chained together.
Sorry I did not mean to say it was like the move to registry. More like I did not personally like and similarly am not wild about systemd myself. But ultimately it is with the flavors to decide what they are going to do and folks to use what they are gonna use. Again myself when it comes to install and go, im gonna use whatever works best for me and if thats distro with systemd then it is what it is.
This whole anti-systemd thing is so pathetic.
Right. What’s stopping anyone from maintaining the ONE PURE SYSTEM-FREE DISTRO ™? If it’s -that- much of an issue, surely there’s enough of a userbase to justify maintaining such a distro and suite of apps? We’re running an operating system whose very foundation exists due to forks and splits… some of which went on to be extremely popular defaults. Instead we get an insufferable rant blaming millennials for everything. Literally. Author blames millennials for Firefox, Librewolf and Thunderbird apparently expediting the death of non-systemd setups.
And then we have a spiel about Chrome… “which is a violent security violator bootstrapping itself deep into the base system”… oh lord. Yeah. Someone forgot to take his meds. We’re about one step away from someone asking him where on the Android plush doll the author touched by the Big Bad Google Man in a Trenchcoat.
Angry old man angry that the world hasn’t remained exactly the same for his benefit alone.
Damn, You weren’t kidding. the article would be comical if it weren’t so worrying for his mental state.
Nothing. Actions have shown that distro maintainers overwhelmingly prefer systemd because it’s way easier to maintain than sysv init (from what I hear anyways). I’d put money on the author of the blog not being a distro maintainer - just some guy that complains on the internet.
There are plenty of Systemdless forks of distros. People do maintain and it works well. However, the issue is to make the forks its incredibly labor intensive for coders and while not impossible to remove systemd, it’s extremely hard. When base apps require systemd, it locks you down to that one system which is why people hate it so much. It centralizes code and the systems and prevents ease of choice. Does it work? Yes. Though even if it doesn’t affect you or your thoughts, its good to understand why there is a divide. I personally use Artix Linux at the moment with S6 as my init system and it works great. I get why people like Systemd, but I feel it sterilizes our freedom of choice like a frog in a pot of water.
you’re right, the article reads like a gigantic “GET OF MY LAWN!!”, I found it hilarious!!
I understand it. I never liked windows moving to the database like registry for configs. But it is what it is type of thing. I might choose a distro because it still uses sysv and I already like freebsd so its a possibility for me to but I also like really easy and convenient distros I can install and go with. Generally im not really mucking about in those systems anyway except at a very high user level.
The thing coming closest to the Windows registry is Gnome’s GConf.
systemd also isn’t a monolithic blob. It would cause some work but you can individually replace the various systemd-related programs with own implementations. They all just communicate with each other, they’re not chained together.
Sorry I did not mean to say it was like the move to registry. More like I did not personally like and similarly am not wild about systemd myself. But ultimately it is with the flavors to decide what they are going to do and folks to use what they are gonna use. Again myself when it comes to install and go, im gonna use whatever works best for me and if thats distro with systemd then it is what it is.
“This whole anti-Microsoft thing is so pathetic. Just use Windows.”