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I wonder what had deal had to be made for him to say this. Also grain of salt till ink is dry.
I’ve seen speculation that Turkey will get F-16s in return.
Looking forward to seeing Orban cornered.
They’ve had F-16s for years, producing most of them domestically (under license). Maybe some upgrades?
Turkey’s been developing their own “5th gen” fighter, and they do have a pretty decent domestic military industrial base, but they got barred from purchasing the F-35 in 2019 when they bought an S-400 system from Russia - I wonder if he wants those. It’d need some US congressional cooperation to make happen, though.
I don’t think they’re ever getting F-35s while they have an S-400.
Yeah, probably, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t want them. Supposably, the TAI TF Kaan will have her maiden flight this year, so we’ll see.
As a swede I am on the fence on wether Sweden should join NATO in the first place, but at least we’re not out for the stupidest fucking reason anymore.
What are your counter points? Other than not wanting to be a staging ground for a potential NATO/Russian war?
I think most people who have switched sides, who were originally for/split, would today argue that it’s unlikely that Russia would stage another war in the coming years. Looking at how poorly they are performing in Ukraine.
So getting into NATO with the possibility that Erdogan’s demands will have an actual effect on the Swedish laws has not been deemed worth it right now.
I also doubt anybody reasonable would consider some of his demands to be achievable, Turkey in EU today?
That’s a pretty good assessment. Thanks for the insight.
Per the NYT, here’s what Sweden and NATO would do in return:
In return, Sweden and Turkey would continue to work bilaterally against terrorism, Sweden would help reinvigorate Turkey’s application to enter the European Union, and NATO would establish a new “special coordinator for counterterrorism,” he said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/10/world/europe/erdogan-turkey-sweden-nato.html
How is Sweden supposed to help them join the EU, exactly?
It sounds like Erdogan is saying this is conditional on the EU reopening talks about Turkiye joining. Is that even happening?
No, that’s what he said earlier today. Seems like he was just posturing and seeking attention.
Oh, I see! I misread the article. Good news!
Fucking finally
I want to see Putins stupid face now, it must be glorious to watch
“sweden joining NATO does not concern us.” - putin replies
Translation: “Sweden joining NATO greatly concerns us.”
I really want to see the price NATO ended up paying …
This isn’t happening it’s just grandstanding before the summit. Sweden said they’ll put in a good word for Turkey to join the EU, Erdogan said he’ll put in a good word to Turkish parliament. After the conference someone will do something trivial and they’ll fake outrage and go back to Sweden not joining.
I guess they just had to sweeden the deal
Initially exciting, and if it happens, this is HUGE.
I don’t care what someone thinks or feels about the Russo-Ukraine war - NATO expanding is absolutely not a good thing.
Why not?
I’m not saying Ukraine should/shouldn’t be in NATO, but if Ukraine was in NATO would Russia have invaded?
Don’t larger military alliance disincentivize violent conflict?
I understand if a conflict were to break out it would be much larger, but we can’t know the extent of the smaller conflicts that have not happened due to the existence of NATO.
Don’t larger military alliance disincentivize violent conflict?
Not necessarily - and NATO sure doesn’t seem to mind when their own members wage genocidal wars on the third world (like Turkey is doing with it’s ISIS-staffed proxy-militias in northern Syria).
NATO has shown that it will happily play midwife to US neocolonialism - remember that time the US invaded Afghanistan using an even flimsier pretext than the ones Putin uses? At this point, we should be thankful that the US didn’t allow Russia itself to join NATO (something Putin is still pretty sore about)… but the US sure didn’t do it out of the goodness of their hearts.
Turkey had previously spent months blocking Sweden’s application, accusing it of hosting Kurdish militants.
Man, fuck Turkey
And fuck Sweden for being cucked by erdogan
Horribel. Sweden do not need NATO for peace , NATO needs Sweden for war.
