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davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago

Why the Guardian's 'Hamas mass rape' story doesn't pass the sniff test

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Why the Guardian's 'Hamas mass rape' story doesn't pass the sniff test

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davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago
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How is it that journalists are not pausing to question the outrageous improbability of so many of the evidence-poor rape stories being advanced?
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  • Kbobabob@lemmy.world
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    This article seems like a whole lot of speculation.

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      If you’re referring to the article that this is written about, then yes. The burden of evidence is on those making the accusations. In this case, the IOF is accusing Hamas of rape without any evidence. The MSM is acting as a mouthpiece of the IOF, by reprinting their statement without any due diligence.

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        No evidence?

        Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.

        Police Superintendent Dudi Katz said officers have collected more than 1,000 statements and more than 60,000 video clips related to the attacks that include accounts from people who reported seeing women raped.

        No quote for this one, my phone doesn’t seem to like copying from it. Suffice to say it claims evidence.

        I’m not claiming these sources (all of which, but especially the third one, rely on other, specified sources) are necessarily trustworthy, etc. But evidence is absolutely being claimed.

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          Every one of these sources is a dead end. They all point to other news articles that make similar baseless claims or webinars on YouTube (?!). Or worse, they cite themselves as evidence.

          No evidence?

          […]

          I’m not claiming these sources (all of which, but especially the third one, rely on other, specified sources) are necessarily trustworthy, etc. But evidence is absolutely being claimed.

          Yeah. Claiming there’s evidence and actually providing evidence for such claims are completely different. That’s the whole point.

  • sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works
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    I really dont know what to believe any more

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      You know exactly who NOT to believe

      • ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Random morons on Lemmy

        • Tangentism@lemmy.ml
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          Stop huffing your own jenkum then go outside and touch the grass

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    If we’re going to get more of this content, should we have a separate community discrediting stories from large and/or state media sources?

    • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlOP
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      One comm for state propaganda and the corporate media that repeat it, and separate, partitioned free speech zone comm for any criticism thereof?

      In the second gulf war, when the State and the corporate media pushed the weapons of mass destruction narrative—which also didn’t pass the sniff test—would you have wanted any push-back on that narrative kept out of the conversation?

      Stephen Colbert at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner

      But, listen, let’s review the rules. Here’s how it works. The President makes decisions. He’s the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration? You know, fiction!

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        We don’t have that The Guardian article posted in this community. Why are you disproving an article that required no disproving?

        Media misconstrues facts, makes factually incorrect statements, and spreads biases. We already know this. This screams of picking up a piece of shit, being surprised that it’s a piece of shit, and writing an article about it. The easier solution would have been to not pick up the piece of shit.

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          You are going on the assumption that Cook is only talking about this one Guardian article, when what he is doing is using that article as the jumping off point to address the entirety of the Israeli State & corporate media narrative about these rapes.

          Jonathan Cook is no idle media critic; he is an expert in this field.

          Jonathan Cook is a British writer and a freelance journalist formerly based in Nazareth, Israel, who writes about the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

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            Yeah, fair enough. Article stays up.

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    Yeah military groups never commit rampant sexual assaults

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      Ah yes, even if there are no evidences it must have happened because there is some law of physics that there can’t be war without mass rape I guess.

      Also, we’re not just talking about one or two soldiers but of an alledged mass rape which I repeat, there is no evidence for.

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        Especially confusing is the fact that there is no forensic evidence despite how adept IOF is at collecting semen.

        • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlOP
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          chefs-kiss

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        No no no no no no, there’s loads of evidence: thousands of hours of videos, testimonies, and photographs. I know that we can’t access any of it yet, but trust me: the mostly unnamed experts got the evidence, they’ve assured us that they got it, and I’m sure that eventually they’ll release all of it to the public, just like the evidence for all those Serbian rape camps and the Viagra‐injected Libyan rapists. Just give them a little more time!

        • bartolomeo@suppo.fi
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          Isn’t that what Biden said about video footage of 40 beheaded babies? “I saw it with my own eyes. I mean, no I didn’t, one of my aides saw it and told me it was real”.

        • krolden@lemmy.ml
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          Trust me

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      this sarcastic comment is all the proof I need.

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