Some U.S. officials are frustrated at the pace of Ukraine’s counteroffensive, which has gained less than 100 square miles of territory.

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    I could maybe understand the criticism if Russia had made further gains, but you have to keep in mind that Ukraine has liberated 74,443 km² or 28,743 square miles since the start of the invasion. The offensive may not have had the effect that many hoped for after their earlier successes but they are facing defensive positions that have been set up and fortified over months. It will take some time to force a breakthrough and they are still constantly chipping away at the frontline. It’s a good thing that they are advancing carefully and not just sending expendable waves of untrained soldiers like the Russians do.

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      It’s an interesting product of a western world that hasnt really seen war in 70 years. It’s always been far away.

      We seek instant gratification, when in reality these are people’s lives. It should move slowly, especially against heavily mined positions. I’m wondering if we’ll see much progress until the F-16s enter the field to gain air support for the ground troops.

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        Instant gratification?? How about instant, decisive and meaningful support? Day 1, tanks have crossed the border and are advancing towards Kiyv? Close all borders, halt all trade, threaten to nuke Moscow unless they leave by Day 3, nuke Moscow on day 3.

        Instead, the western world offers thoughts, prayers and excuses, with only occasional tanks here and there in between, months and years too late, making it worse for literally everyone. So when people that are watching Ukraine been helped just enough to save the helpers’ faces, suffering through the bloodshed unfolding for a year+, and said people are not willing to normalize the shameful history page they’re living through… I think it’s neither fair nor productive to accuse them of seeking instant gratification.

        Damn, if everybody really demanded instant gratification, democracies worked and politicians complied, we would’ve been talking about the war in past tense.

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          It’s almost like no one wants to start a global thermonuclear war that annihilates our species. I’m glad the actual people in charge are able to see the shades of grey you can’t.

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            I’m sorry you fell victim to the powerful madman image Russia is so desperate to project, when (misguided) rational cowardrice is all it does.

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      Ukraine has liberated 74,443 km² or 28,743 square miles since the start of the invasion

      The front lines have remained basically static since Fall '22.

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    Ukraine: we need tanks/armor!
    West: hmm, no that would be too provocative.
    months later, as Russia digs trenches and lays mines
    West: ok, ok, here are some tanks
    Ukraine: Great, can we get better ammunition?
    West: What?! No, yeesh.
    months of mines and trenches later
    West: Ok here are cluster munitions
    Ukraine: thank you. None of this really works without air support though so…
    West: What is your deal?
    mine, mine, mine, trench trench
    West: Ok maybe some F16s.

    West: yo, what’s taking so long?
    Ukraine: I’m sorry? I can’t hear you over ALL THE FUCKING MINES

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      The longer the war lasts, the happier are the military industrial complex and its shareholders.

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    Has my research on this been just been somehow skewed over the past months or does it really seem like Western media is suddenly turning on Ukraine?

    Until like 1-2 weeks ago it was really difficult to find anything overly critical about Ukraine and now it seems as of there’s a sudden change in coverage.

    Is it just me? I think I’ve been rather thorough.

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    “Bully punches kid and steals $50, kid only manages to get back $30, is the kid a fucking loser?” This is what the sentiment usually feels like, even if it’s not what the reporting is about, please be aware of this.

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      Let’s leave the rest of your narrative alone for second. Kid fights back and loses use of several fingers, loses several teeth, and is now deaf in one ear but has managed to get back $0.10

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        Lmao so what would you describe the massive losses Russia has taken in terms of lives, machinery, and munitions, as well as the open revolt Wagner engaged in? If Ukraine is losing fingers, teeth, and hearing, I imagine Russia has full on lost a limb and has bleeding to stabilize.

        That rebellion was probably part of Put-daddy’s plan tho, right?

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          The US is sending more aid per year than Russia’s entirely military budget and Russia hasn’t even gotten through it’s old weapon systems yet.

          But that’s also besides the point. Let’s assume you’re right and Russia has lost more than Ukraine. How does that jive with Ukraine’s inability to make meaningful progress in their offensive? They’ve reclaimed something like .2% of their lost territory, which is easily within the margins of the ebb and flow of conflict.

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            So Putin, who is openly saying that the offensive isn’t going as planned, is OK sending tens of thousands of soldiers into the grinder agaisnt better equipment, just to go through surplus? He’s choosing to have thousands of Russians killed while sitting on equipment that could keep them safe?

            What a guy. Noble cause he’s after, de-nazi-fying a sovereign nation, while also getting his citizens massacred in tank columns and shoddy equipment while he keeps the good stuff at home.

            Unless that isn’t what he’s doing? But you did just say they were using old stuff on purpose. You wouldn’t be wrong, would you?

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              I really love how y’all stopped calling it a democratic nation and started saying sovereign nation instead. Really telling.

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                Sovereign as is the highest authority in the territory. The US is a sovereign nation. European countries are sovereign. In fact, most of the countries on the planet can be described as sovereign nations…

                “Sovereign” does nothing to describe the type of governance the country has? Or do you have some wild insight about how sovereign actually means it’s an installed dictatorship?

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    They are worried of losing control of the narrative, not of the war. They said the quiet part out loud.

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    Some U.S. officials are frustrated at the pace of Ukraine’s counteroffensive, which has gained less than 100 square miles of territory.

    Some U.S. officials should read Aesop’s Fables, specifically one named “The Tortoise and the Hare”.

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      You could also say that Russia is the tortoise, so I don’t think it’s applicable here.

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      Ukraine cannot win here. Russia has the world’s most devious and cruel combat engineers laying in miles and miles of entrenched defence fortifications. Backed by Russia’s world leading artillery battalions, there is no way Ukraine can push back Russia without battlefield nukes.

      Russia is already laying in massive quantities of entrenched long range radar, antiaircraft batteries and missiles. US cannot acquire air power over that region any longer. If you have played a realistic war flightsim like Falcon 5.0, you will know air power cannot prevail against Russia’s AA tech.