The problem that I have with the way Apple does this has nothing whatsoever to do with me. It’s their device, it is not possible for me to care any less about it.
No, the problem I have is that it becomes a severe bullying / exclusion tactic among kids. Now, kids will always find something to bully other kids about, but this one seems to hurt a lot because of the source of the ire and the inability to do anything about it (short of purchasing an Apple device).
My eldest was excluded from group chats with friends because they “ruined” the quality of pictures and videos by being in the group chat. These are friends mind you, not the sort of bullies the rest of us might’ve had. It’s devastating to kids when their friends exclude them like this. What do you do? You can’t complain about the technology not mattering, you can’t reason with it, you can’t say: “it gets better”.
Kids these days have a very different relationship to technology. That relationship can seem weird or “wrong” to folks who remember a time before these ubiquitous devices. Crap patterns like this creating artificial walled gardens are not “novel” or “creative” ways to increase sales.
Hell, adults and “friends” of mine really seem to care that I have an android. They constantly bring it up as if they think bullying another adult into buying their specific product will somehow work or maybe they think that it bothers me or something. I could not care less. Start a new chat without me and the other android users? Cool, go ahead. Spoiler: they won’t.
Or they have and haven’t told you, as I’ve experienced multiple times now (as an adult in my thirties, no less). It’s why I fell out of my bar trivia group, they slowly forgot to send us Android users (aka my partner and I) texts separately, so we just drifted out of that circle.
It’s comical how petty so many adults get about the bubbles too, and absolutely refuse to consider using anything else. Luckily my partner was on the Pixel train like me before we met, so it’s not an issue there, but suggest Signal, Telegram, or hell, even Facebook Messenger (which they all have as well), and you just get befuddlement in response. Even my mother, who is in her fifties and is a department director at her job, gets perpetual shit from her coworkers re: the staff group chats that just can’t go into Slack for whatever reason, as she’s the lone Android user in that whole bunch. None of these people even grew up with cellphones of any type, and yet they’re just as petty about messaging as any socially-obsessed teen.
Oh well, no skin off my back, and if anything this petty behavior from a subset of iOS users is basically an anti-advertisement to me.
Not to make light of your kids situation, but sending pics/videos over mms is horrible they aren’t being metaphorical when they say it ruins the chats. Imagine compressing a video to < 1MB and you would get something unseeable. Now i would recommned they all switch to snapchat, its very popular and wont mess with the group chat no matter the device used :)
Oh, I totally get it. It’s super dumb, but being a kid is really hard these days; kind of ridiculously so.
Long story short: they got iPhones. Do I like it? No. Did it make me feel bad to pay into that dark pattern? Yeah. Did I do it anyway? Yup.
But at the end of the day, I had a choice between doing what I felt was right vs. doing what would make their lives just a little easier psychologically.
I did explain how stupid it was that Apple was doing this, how much it was complete and utter nonsense, and what dark patterns were. I can’t force their friends to do different things, but I can nudge their behavior. I taught them about Signal and they’ve shown their friends. It hasn’t caught on like wildfire of course, but, it’s there and I learned that at least some kids today understand a lot more about privacy and security than I’d given them credit for.
Hang on … I set a picture on MY phone and then anyone I call sees MY picture? Oh yeah, can’t see how this’ll go wrong. How long before dick picks are sent, or advertisements, or someone finds a way to use it to hack someones phone.
I can see this could be useful, especially folks with eye sight issues (but how would this affect blind folks?), but it’s just another way to tell someone who is calling. I don’t answer my phone unless they’re in my contact book already.
This seems eh to me, but I’m not an Apple person anyway.
Honestly, it is bad enough people can just make my phone demand my immediate attention via phone calls. We should be phasing those out, not give them more control over our devices.
This was the first thing I thought too. I got to find that comic about “time-to-penis” stats.
It’s not much different than a profile picture on most social media networks, is it? You could have done all of this with your Lemmy profile picture as well.
Phones are a bit more ubiquitous for older folks though. Imagine a vulnerability that allows me to post my “pic” as pulling from your phone and it comes up with a picture of your cousin or something. Or if I’m targeting you, you’re an old person that doesn’t understand technology and you see your granddaughter show up in the picture and don’t look at the number or anything. There seems to be a lot of ways this can be abused. I hope I’m wrong and we’ll never see a story about people abusing it, but people pretty much always abuse these things.
Took some time but got all my contacts to switch over to signal so apple can go screw themselves
wanting everyone in your own walled garden is standard corporate fuckery, but Apple deliberately making the color contrast lower for green messages is just dark.
https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-gross-e03b52b12fed
All these text and emoji features that are being added into apple but are not compatible with Android: this seems like a problem…
Until you download signal.
It has great features for group messaging, video calling, emojis and is generally feature rich.
And it’s end-to-end encrypted when messaging other signal users.
It’s available on iOS and Android.
The hard part is getting others to join. If all of your fam has iPhones and you are the one Android person, getting them all to join Signal just for you is a tall order.
Yeah I know.
Exactly, who is using bog-standard texts and phonecalls in this day and age? Do they also use internet explorer because that’s the default too? Even if you’re not on Signal, everyone and their mums has WhatsApp, I don’t see how this is even an issue!
So many people use standard clear text messaging and calling.
When I try to explain encryption, I usually get the line
" I’ve got nothing to hide!"
I never understood the complaint. If iPhone users don’t like the way Apple messaging works with Android contacts, they can just use an alternative like Whatsapp. Right?
Or they can bitch at Apple to fix their SMS/MMS problems.
Apple has a SMS/MMS problem the same way some people have a rodent problem.
I can’t see this actually being a big deal, like at all, lmao. This assumes everyone cares or even knows the implications of a contact poster, and you can even make them for contacts that haven’t made one themselves. If you automatically think “ew Android!” when someone didn’t make a contact poster (when they can literally be on iOS, but not make one), you have issues.
I think this could’ve great if it was an open standard but that’s not the apple way.
Don’t forget, FaceTime will be an open standard, aaaaany time now https://appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/07/apple_announces_open_standard_facetime_video_chat_for_iphone_4
I remember this and thought I was crazy. There was an article linked somewhere on Lemmy last week that addressed this. It seemed like it was a Steve Jobs special - no one knew he was going to promise that. Subsequently, they got tangled up in a patent dispute with someone who owned a very vague communications protocol patent. That outcome has been appealed, from both sides, in courts basically since then.
It was announced in 2010 and then a year later Jobs died so it’s not out the realm of possibilities that other Execs decided against it and backtracked on it. It’s very possible if he lived longer it would have happened or at least an App would have released for it on Android and possibly iMessage would have had one too.
Owh dammit what now. I haven’t read it yet but I’m already tired of it
So… here’s a hot take I guess (disclaimer: i am an iphone user): People who are actively complaining about Apple having features that are unique to its platform don’t know how products work. Apple created this technology and design themselves and other companies want to leech off the features. We should want competition like iMessage vs whatever Android uses. For anyone to basically say Google doesn’t have the ability or resources to create an actual competitor is silly. They absolutely can make an alternative, but they choose not to. Google becomes complacent and progress slows or completely stops. I’d rather have a product that is FEATURE-FULL than feature-less. Additionally, this contact feature thing is neat, but I wouldn’t call it a “game-changer” or revolutionary. It’s similar to the super old ability that some cellular providers had/have where you could play a specific song instead of the calling tone.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. 😒
Reading through the comments in this thread, I’d just like to mention how amusing it is to see so many people in the fediverse arguing in favor of walled gardens and vendor lock-in. Like, do you even know where you are?
Is there a steamdeck lemmy community? I quite liked having a place to talk about performance of some games or tweaks or releases.
There is this one: https://sopuli.xyz/c/steamdeck
Use this site to find communities https://browse.feddit.de/
Idk, I see this as a plus. It sucks when one android user in a group chat gimps file sharing for everyone.
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