• CmdrMoto@beehaw.org
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    I think the headline is framing this wrong. Apple is not threatening to kill these services.

    Apple is refusing to break their services just to accommodate broken, stupid laws written by a broken, stupid parliament.

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    Time for a federation of messengers. The XMPP protocol is ready and waiting for you.

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        There are many servers to choose from:

        1. Prosody
        2. ejabberd
        3. Openfire
        4. Tigase
        5. MongooseIM
        6. Metronome

        They are easy to set up, and low on resources.

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        That’s true. But it’s nice to have an account on a federated messenger and use it with a couple close contacts, as you won’t feel affected by the constant threats to centralized services.

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    Good, as a UK resident I hope Apple, Signal, even WhatsApp stick to their guns over this issue. It’s the only way it will gain any traction with the public.

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    it will not make changes that it characterises as “a serious and direct threat to data security and information privacy” for users around the globe

    That’s the thing right there. If Apple makes a back door for the UK, they would have difficulties keeping only UK citizens affected. Communications are global. Even if they restricted the back door to conversations involving UK residents, every private group chat that resident user enters becomes snoopable just by that user being there and the history could be made available from before the user entered. It would be like a privacy virus with UK residents as the spreaders.

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      Because that data is encrypted and law enforcement is used to get data unencrypted from its citizens. If a judge issues a warrant, they can wiretap your phone, unencrypted data directly from the pipe. If a judge issues a warrant, they can just enter your property, potentially by force, taking whatever they please. They are used to being able to just take what they need for whatever they can get a judge to sign off on.

      For years law enforcement agencies around the world have been complaining that encrypted data makes their life a little harder because while they can still take it, they don’t know what it is or how valuable it is. They can’t use it. So now they push on politicians, they say stuff like “well listen those people who died, we probably had data, messages, that could have prevented that, but they were encrypted.” Ignoring the fact that these agencies have far too many messages currently to sort through.

      Overall it doesn’t make sense to give them encryption backdoors. It’s far too dangerous and insane to think that protecting your data requires someone else to have a key. It’d be equal to requiring every physical lock to have a button that says “Only the law enforcement agents can press this” and it unlocks without a key. If it happens, you’ll see the UK lose a lot of server business and potentially internet traffic. It’s like the UK is intentionally trying to shoot itself in the leg.

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      We’re talking about end-to-end encrypted data here. Even Apple doesn’t have it without a backdoor.