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  • lowleveldata@programming.dev
    313·
    1 year ago

    ah yes programming languages are jokes themselves, and not the programmers using the wrong tools for the wrong job

    • Kryomaani@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      While true, there are some languages that are the wrong tool for every job. JS is one of them. I’ve dreamt of a future where web frontends switched to something sane but instead we got stuff like typescript which is like trying to erect steel beams in quicksand. For web frontends I can understand that historical reasons have lead to this but whoever came up with node thinking JS would be a great backend language has a lot of explaining to do.

      • ParsnipWitch@feddit.deEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        I am also interested if anyone can tell me the exact time in our history when JavaScript turned from “Don’t you ever use that anywhere on your websites!” into “It’s basically every website”.

        • abraxas@lemmy.mlEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          It was when better sandboxing came out and the only valid complaints about javascript became invalid.

          I was there. It was a good time.

    • pazukaza@lemmy.ml
      11·
      1 year ago

      Come on, Javascript is pretty nasty. Trying to read that shit always gives me brain tumors. Why do they need to wrap every fucking thing in a function inside a function inside a function that is passed as a parameter to a function inside another function?

      Like, bro, you know people are meant to understand what you just wrote?

      It just gives too much freedom and people forget they need to write code that is easy to read for people who aren’t totally familiar with the code base.

      They even bring that shit into typescript. Like they are already using a language that is meant to fix that shit and they are like, nope, let me create 5 nested functions just because.

      • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
        1·
        1 year ago

        Can you give an example of the multi nested functions? I was a TS dev for a while and don’t remember anything like that. Unless you mean the promise callback functions. Those were a mess but luckily we’ve mostly moved away from those

        • pazukaza@lemmy.ml
          0·
          1 year ago

          People creating functions as objects inside of other functions. A few days ago saw a person create a function with two object functions inside, then passed one of the functions as an argument to the other function. Then returned the second function.

          It’s hard to find such a mess in other languages. Yeha, functions as objects are cool. Closures are also cool… But why abuse that shit?

          • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
            1·
            1 year ago

            Ahh I remember that sort of JS programming from way back. Do people still do that?? You can just create a class now

  • AnonymousLlama@kbin.social
    5·
    1 year ago

    Every few years I go back to giving JS a chance and every time I’m left frustrated. At least it’s not as bad as it was a decade ago I guess

    • abraxas@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      So bizarre how life experience drives attitude. I’m one of those who has worked in a dozen languages, and Javascript (well, Typescript now) simply wins out for me. I run a C# team right now (have been for nearly a decade), and I can say as much as I love my job I hate the language. We get less done with slower code and with more bugs and more (very talented) people than the little $10M operation 4 of us did with node.js a couple jobs ago.

      And as an aftethought since language and tooling are different topics… the ops toolchains for javascript are so much better than anything I’ve worked in any other language. Code released to production often ends up costing us less (dollar value) in the time to deploy, and then less per-user and per-hour.

      I know a lot of C# diehards and I respect their passion. I just cannot relate to their experience. And I can say that with over a decade of experience in many of the languages in the original meme.

    • Redrum714@lemm.ee
      01·
      1 year ago

      Glad C++ will be the one step on it cause it deserves it. I’d take PHP over that shit any day

      • vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de
        1·
        1 year ago

        it is a horribly slow, ugly language, with the most braindead scoping rules (apart from js, of course). The only fast parts of it are libraries written in other languages, because python itself is not up to the task for anything more than glueing code from other, better languages together.